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Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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Centerpiece said:
So I finally got around to watching the Newsom Statewide address... (it wasn't specifically a "Nationwide" address per se, not initially at least... National media picked it up and ran with it). I liked it. I thought he hit it out of the park. I didn't' detect anything that could be construed as "fake". He was on point 100%.

I also recall his head-to-head with DeSantis Dec. 2023. I thought Gavin hit a home run there too.

I still contend Cal doth protest too much methinks...

I also agree with the poster that said something like Uncle Joe putting on a wig wanting to play in a ladies H.S. softball game is not the hill the Dems should strive to die on. So Newsom alluding to that fact shouldn't be a deal breaker - not in my book at least.
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Yes, it's clear that Calheel has an unfounded, irrational, hatred of Newsom.
 
Personally I don’t mind Newsom as a National candidate. I thought he did well in debating both DeSantis and Hannity in Dec. 2023… on FOX no less. Recall that debate. Every chart and graphic Hannity put up tried to paint Cali in a negative light, and he then tried to say his questions were neutral. BS. Did he happen to allude to the fact that Fla rates well below Cali in just about every socio-economic metric? No, of course not. But Gavin held is own and even won that debate, hands down by any objective view.

Now he’s going toe to toe with Trump. Good on him. As has been noted, no Dems have been stepping up, but now Newsom has. And we want to throw him under the bus because of his hair? His dinner out? His questioning the wisdom of dying on the hill of trans athletes? Seriously?

We’re on the friggin cusp of Martial law under the thumb of an authoritarian dictator and we want to cast aspersions on the only Democratic politician with the balls to say “No Fucking Kings!”

Yeah, that’s the ticket. Let’s keep that shit up for another 12 months and see what the mid-terms are shaping up like next year…
 
Calheel said:
Gavin would fucking LOVE to be arrested. He is practically begging for it. He so much wants to use a 30 minute stay in a jail as his Mandela moment. That isn't leadership. That is opportunism. Just like his poorly-acted profanity-laced screed to Jacob Soboroff begging Trump to arrest him and leave the four-year old girl alone That kind of performance wouldn't cut it at a mid-level Summer Theater on the Cape. It certainly doesn't qualify as a leadership in this day and age.

What a normal, non-opportunistic governor would do is issue some press releases and give a few, non-performative interviews/press conferences. Perhaps actually talk with Trump and try to de-escalate the situation on Sunday. But the last thing Newsom wants is for the situation to be de-escalated. He wants Trump to call in the troops. He wants the media spotlight so that he could look like a fake tough guy.

Newsom isn't going to win shit with this speech -- not in any way that matters. LA will go back to normal, like it always does, and Trump will prattle on about how he saved LA. Then he will rinse and repeat in a bunch of blue states and we will continue to have a few token, high-profile ICE raids that are solely designed to create civil unrest and project an "image" of strength for Trump.

The idea that anyone thinks Newsom doing a 20 minute prime time speech last night is going to do anything -- anything -- to weaken Trump or change his policies in any way is laughable. The one and only function of that speech was to raise Newsom's profile for 2028. That is the only thing it accomplished -- well that and making @dukeman92 elated because someone is finally standing up to Trump. So, at least there is that.
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Between Vance (or any pub) and Newsome, who would you vote for if they were the 2 nominated candidates for President in Nov 2027?
 
SnoopRob said:
That's quite the silly statement from someone whose reactions to him come across strongly as "jilted former lover".

You seem to read a lot into both Newsom and support for him, all in the most negative light possible. I'm not sure what put this bee in your bonnet, but it doesn't seem to be explained by anything Newsom has done (when compared to things that other politicians also do on a daily basis).
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The classic "all politicians suck" defense of Newsom. There is some merit in that defense. Almost all politicians do suck. But I am not moved by a bosides defense. He is worse than the average politician.

If it takes a jilted lover approach to sound the alarm on Newsom and get people to realize that he should not be the standard bearer for national democratic politics, it is a worthwhile effort.
 
Centerpiece said:
Personally I don’t mind Newsom as a National candidate. I thought he did well in debating both DeSantis and Hannity in Dec. 2023… on FOX no less. Recall that debate. Every chart and graphic Hannity put up tried to paint Cali in a negative light, and he then tried to say his questions were neutral. BS. Did he happen to allude to the fact that Fla rates well below Cali in just about every socio-economic metric? No, of course not. But Gavin held is own and even won that debate, hands down by any objective view.

Now he’s going toe to toe with Trump. Good on him. As has been noted, no Dems have been stepping up, but now Newsom has. And we want to throw him under the bus because of his hair? His dinner out? His questioning the wisdom of dying on the hill of trans athletes? Seriously?

We’re on the friggin cusp of Martial law under the thumb of an authoritarian dictator and we want to cast aspersions on the only Democratic politician with the balls to say “No Fucking Kings!”

Yeah, that’s the ticket. Let’s keep that shit up for another 12 months and see what the mid-terms are shaping up like next year…
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So why is the Democratic governor of California spending so much time on Fox News debating national politics?

I don't deny that Newsom is smooth and has somehow gotten Hannity and Bannon to be best buds with him.

But as Admiral Akbar would say, It's a Trap!
 
superrific said:
The fact is that the way you talk pisses people off.
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He doesn't piss me off, even though I don't agree with a lot of what he's saying. I just enjoy observing the salad days of a socialist who is still young enough to cherish honest hopes and dreams going thru the paces, knowing the bitterness and disillusionment that awaits with age and experience. Ah, the circle of life. Good times...
 
Calheel said:
So why is the Democratic governor of California spending so much time on Fox News debating national politics?

I don't deny that Newsom is smooth and has somehow gotten Hannity and Bannon to be best buds with him.

But as Admiral Akbar would say, It's a Trap!
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Obviously, he was doing exactly what we think he was doing… setting up a play for 2028. Duh.
I see nothing wrong with that. When you’re wrestling pigs you gotta get down in the dirt and get a little muddy. This “when they take the low road, we take the high road” shtick only gets one so far.

We need a U.S. Grant, not a McClellan
 
Calheel said:
So why is the Democratic governor of California spending so much time on Fox News debating national politics?

I don't deny that Newsom is smooth and has somehow gotten Hannity and Bannon to be best buds with him.

But as Admiral Akbar would say, It's a Trap!
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Do you say the same about Pete Buttigieg? We need more, not less, politicians willing to go on Fox News and spread our message and counter the propaganda the right has been spreading.

It’s a tough ask, and not many have the debating skills to do it. Newsome and Buttigieg do.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Do you say the same about Pete Buttigieg? We need more, not less, politicians willing to go on Fox News and spread our message and counter the propaganda the right has been spreading.

It’s a tough ask, and not many have the debating skills to do it. Newsome and Buttigieg do.
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This.
 
Calheel said:
The amount of homoerotic love on this board for Newsom is gross. I get it. Dude is good looking. People can stop lusting after him now.
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several of my good friends LOVE him......all straight women and gay men, lmao.
 
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rodoheel said:
I am not a fan of Newsom as a national candidate. Like CalHeel, I find him to be an utterly fake political opportunist.
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In fairness, I think most politicians are opportunists, fake or otherwise. But let's face it, who really goes into politics as a career anyway? Oftentimes it's the nerds who were in student government in high school (full disclosure: I was in student government one year in high school, but only b/c nobody else in my homeroom class wanted to do it) who don't really have many other prospects. I know this is painting with way too broad a brush, and of course I'm not talking about all of them, but look around.

There's a guy from my hometown who is two years younger than me, I used to buy him and his buddies beer on Friday afternoon in high school (he was on the soccer team with me), now he's a bigwig in state government (Paine probably knows who I'm talking about), ran for attorney general a few years ago and almost won. Total Maga and total nerd. And now I got to deal with his bullshit.

Who are the cool politicians? Obviously Obama uber alles. Clinton was cool too. Certainly Reagan in his way. JFK may've been the OG of cool politicians. Even Bush was kinda cool in his dorky way. I felt like Kamala was cool but it didn't work out. Trump is so fucking uncool. He's like the revenge of all the uncool people. I'm not saying Newsom is cool, but he's cooler than Trump. But that's a very low bar...
 
Calheel said:
The amount of homoerotic love on this board for Newsom is gross. I get it. Dude is good looking. People can stop lusting after him now.
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Eek.

I would watch and like a 2 minute TikTok video of a person meticulously eviscerating a Russian troll that is clearly doing calheel spin.
 
Paine said:
I get where you’re coming from, but I think you’re underestimating how much of the right-wing electorate responds to aesthetics and performance, even if they don’t particularly like the person doing the performing. You’re right. Vance isn’t some magnetic figure with a deep bond to working-class voters, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t useful to the right’s project, or that he doesn’t know how to imitate the language of alienation well enough to be effective.

He’s not beloved, but he’s legible. When he rails against elites, even if he is one, he’s performing a script that a slice of disaffected voters, especially white men who feel culturally displaced, recognize. It doesn’t matter that he’s full of it. It matters that he speaks in the idiom of resentment and cultural grievance, which travels farther than people think.

Put differently: he doesn’t need to be loved. He just needs to be “one of us” in the way he talks and who he targets, even if it’s all theater. That’s enough to get people to shrug and go, “eh, close enough.” And in a low-trust, post-truth political culture, “close enough” often wins.

If Trump isn’t the nominee in 2028, who stands to tap into that emotional connection? Will they do it better than Newsom or whoever else the Democratic nominee is? I thinks that’s the terrain we’re playing on. Interested in hearing who others think can bridge both authenticity and substance.
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dukeman92 said:
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Like you my #1 guy is Andy Beshear because my #1 goal is to win (defeat MAGA). But, I didn’t like Biden-I much preferred Buttigieg. But I fell in line and strongly supported Biden because I wanoted to defeat Trump more than anything. Today I worry Newsom may be too polished and California to attract independents and non-MAGA voters in ways I think Beshear (or someone else) might do better.

But damn if I didn’t love his speech and and message-EXACTLY what we in the anti-Trump camp need and want right now.
 
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