Agree but to be fair, Pubs made that THE issue even where and when Dems were not making it an issue. They defined Dems in that way. Dems need to find a narrative that blunts that because Pubs will try again.Whoever runs as a Democrat 2028 needs to drop identity politics and start getting in touch with the poor and working class. Or we're going to keep losing.
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So as I understand it the ,say $350,000 to say $500,000 a year crowd , has grown a lot the last couple decades (even if you factor in inflation ). That is a"new crowd" and they use to be families that were just comfortable middle class So we have the rich, and now we have a bigger hunk than we use to that is really not middle class-the almost rich.
And everyone below that on the aggregate is flat or "worse off"
It's easy to say "tax the Billionaires" but harder now to say "tax the folks worth a couple million ".
So MPER rambling , my point is wealth distribution is morphing.........So adressing it must continue to adjust.
And everyone below that on the aggregate is flat or "worse off"
It's easy to say "tax the Billionaires" but harder now to say "tax the folks worth a couple million ".
So MPER rambling , my point is wealth distribution is morphing.........So adressing it must continue to adjust.
What is Bashear going to run on? That he was a figurehead governor in a Republican State? How many of his vetoes got overridden? Is he going to run on the success he had in that situation? If he's going to claim he was successful, then isn't he really running on Republican success?
I realize he's the early flavor of the month. But more then likely there will be competition for the nomination that can easily exploit his background which includes being from a long time political family.
I realize he's the early flavor of the month. But more then likely there will be competition for the nomination that can easily exploit his background which includes being from a long time political family.
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I do agree that addressing wealth distribution must adjust, but I will say, as someone who has recently entered a HHI level a bit above the range you mentioned above, but who grew up in the lower class and has been solidly middle class over the last several years, I still think that one of the biggest farces in our tax policy is that people who earn W2 income get āpunishedā the hardest, and the folks with income from assets in the tens/hundreds of millions or billions get taxed the least comparatively. Iām all about being able to generate income, money, and wealth- in other words Iām as pro capitalism as can be- but I think its ridiculous that people like me who can take advantage of every possible tax-advantaged savings account *still* get hit much harder comparatively on our earned income than someone with assets in the hundreds of millions or billions.
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I was hoping you would chime in-poster child on IC for my discussion ! Agree the entire "income Tax" structure needs revamping. Jeff Bezos can increase his wealth 50 billion dollars in a year and have zero tax basically Corporate tax is likely more convoluted than indivual income tax
One point re your W-2 taxes. I do think State income tax should be more progessive-we have done a dumb job of capping our State income tax, individual and Corporate
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It's Beshear
1) His electoral success in Kentucky, a reliably Republican state
2) He's still a dark horse and not as well-known as Harris, Newsom, Shapiro (which isn't a bad thing)
3) He's one of the most popular governors in the country.
4) He was considered a possible running mate with Harris in 2024
5) His approval rating is especially impressive given President Donald Trump's 30-point victory in Kentucky. He won nearly 65 percent of the vote, compared to former Vice President Kamala Harris' 34 percent, in the 2024 election.
6) He hasn't fucked anything up
7) He's a white, Christian male who isn't old (probably a strong point moving forward in today's political climate)
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Yeah, itās all too early to tell. Remember when it was Beto OāRourkeās moment and he looked like the future of the Dem Party? That fizzled out pretty quickly.
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Well there is big part of the electorate that just wants to have "hope" I don't know-charisma of some sort
I men what did Bill Clinton run on as a gov of a nothing state ? Who knew who Barcak Obama was
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There's a couple of different ways to look at this:
1) Who do you think stands a chance of getting the Dem nomination AND who stands a chance of winning it all in 2028
2) Who do you LIKE, and who would YOU like to see be successful at #1 - whether or not they stand a snowball's chance?
Right now, I'm only addressing #2: I like Andy, I like Newsom, I like Roy and/or Jeff Jack, I like Whitmer, I like Shapiro, I like Walz.
Given those names - who do I think stands a chance at #1? That's a good question
1) Who do you think stands a chance of getting the Dem nomination AND who stands a chance of winning it all in 2028
2) Who do you LIKE, and who would YOU like to see be successful at #1 - whether or not they stand a snowball's chance?
Right now, I'm only addressing #2: I like Andy, I like Newsom, I like Roy and/or Jeff Jack, I like Whitmer, I like Shapiro, I like Walz.
Given those names - who do I think stands a chance at #1? That's a good question
They need to find a news outlet that will give them a chance to be heard. Pretty much every one of them today have Preparation H on their lips.
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Not sure if he's interested in running but I wonder if Mark Cuban would be a good candidate
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It's not just bias against "W2" income. There is also a bias in favor of passive income that is reported on a W2 but is subject to a weird carve out for S corps that reduces taxes by 20%+.
I would agree that at this point in time its about the "beauty pageant" aspect which I believe comports to your #2. I simply question if he has political legs based on his popularity in his red state. One reason he is popular in that state is because he couldn't do anything to cross his legislature. Thus, his political skill can be questioned at this point in time.
No chance at all Dems will run another female against Trump. He can only win against women as weāve seen twice.
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I love extrapolating to infinity with a sample size of 3.
Btw, Trump isnāt going to be running in 2028.
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Amazing! On this point, you are completely 100% correct. Now, where else might you apply it? Any ideas?
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Amid criticism from Laura Loomer, RFK Jr. says he won't run for president in 2028
Loomer, a conservative influencer, has accused Kennedy of plotting another run.
Amid criticism from Laura Loomer, RFK Jr. says he won't run for president in 2028
Loomer, a conservative influencer, has accused Kennedy of plotting another run.
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Circling back around to this. I tend to agree, but political skill only applies to Dems. Pubs don't give 2 shits about that. Dems need to quit thinking they need to "when they go low, we go high". Nice quote Michelle. But let it be known, Michelle herself abandoned that line. Time for Dems as a party to do the same. Abandon that shit.