General 2028 Election

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sringwal said:
AOC is the future of the party, but it is going to be at least 10 more years before I see her as a viable candidate for president.
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10?
Ha!
Try first to gain back the right for a woman to vote.
Remember, the goal is to take us back to the 1850's. That's what MAGA stands for.
One of my best friends is 3/5 of a human being by those parameters.
Women? Ha!
Barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
Two steps back, and one to my left.
 
sringwal said:
AOC is the future of the party, but it is going to be at least 10 more years before I see her as a viable candidate for president.
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If she can run and beat Schumer in 2028 and then win the general NY Senate election - and I think she can and will - then she might be a viable candidate in 2032, depending on how things go for Democrats in the 2028 presidential election.
 
Dems need to look to Gavin Newsom and his approach these days.
To hell with this play the nice guy crap. “They go low, we go high”. Ha! How quaint.
GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA IN ALL CAPS AND BLAST AWAY.
Tell me, what have you got to lose?
At this point? Not a damn thing.
 
Centerpiece said:
Dems need to look to Gavin Newsom and his approach these days.
To hell with this play the nice guy crap. “They go low, we go high”. Ha! How quaint.
GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA IN ALL CAPS AND BLAST AWAY.
Tell me, what have you got to lose?
At this point? Not a damn thing.
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To me, the only reasonable path is to simultaneously offer that as Americans we are better than this while never relenting on just how patheticly sad, humiliating, and downright mean spirited the current Republican party is. Make it personal. Remind everyone that these Republicans don't even like themselves much less like the American people.

Of course, I see that as the cathartic path because I dont think there is a political path.
 

Elon Musk Pledged to Start a Political Party. He Is Already Pumping the Brakes.​

Billionaire seeks to maintain ties with JD Vance, potential heir to Trump’s MAGA political movement​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy...8?st=jU4d4N&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… Musk and his associates have told people close to him that he is considering using some of his vast financial resources to back Vance if he decides to run for president in 2028, some of the people said. Musk spent close to $300 million to support Trump and other Republicans in the 2024 election. …”
 
nycfan said:

Elon Musk Pledged to Start a Political Party. He Is Already Pumping the Brakes.​

Billionaire seeks to maintain ties with JD Vance, potential heir to Trump’s MAGA political movement​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy...8?st=jU4d4N&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… Musk and his associates have told people close to him that he is considering using some of his vast financial resources to back Vance if he decides to run for president in 2028, some of the people said. Musk spent close to $300 million to support Trump and other Republicans in the 2024 election. …”
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This makes sense for Musk in his world. A natural fit I guess.
Some on another thread claimed Vance would NOT be the heir apparent - that some other MAGA would materialize. I doubt that. It's JD's to lose, and with Mu$k backing him, and MAGA being Maga, it will be a formidable hill to climb for JD's opponent.
 
ZenMode said:
I keep seeing AOC as one of the front runners, we shouldn't write her off, etc.

Would Dems actually run another female?

The fact that a black male won before female can't be a coincidence.
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I mean - I think if Dems had run a good female candidate in 2008, they would have won. Would it have been a tougher fight than Obama had? Maybe. Is it truthfully harder to elect a woman than a black man? Maybe. I'm not sure that a black man getting elected first is really proof of anything, though; more like a "right person in the right place at the right time" scenario.

As for AOC: I personally think she has a great future in national politics. There absolutely would be some headwinds from within the party against her, both ideological and from the consultant set who would be worried about the "can a woman win" angle you're referencing. But if the 2028 election ends up being a 2008-esqure backlash over Republicans tanking the economy to try to help the rich again, then I absolutely think she could win in that environment. If that's no the environment, maybe tougher, but it might also be tough for a centrist white guy to win too.
 
I’m definitely not saying that he can’t or wouldn’t win in 2028, but JD Vance is about the best possible MAGA candidate the Democrats could hope to run against in 2028. He’s got a personality as appealing as a mildewed dishrag, he comes across as soft, doughy, and effeminate (note for nycfan: I am not saying that feminine characteristics are bad. I’m saying that to the ultra faux masculine MAGA movement, being effeminate is not the ticket), and he’s married to a brown woman and has brown children. He has no charisma, no personality, enthralling or captivating characteristics. He comes across as smarmy.

It’s true that he will be backed by people like musk and Theil. That’s not nothing, but it does not do anything to help mobilize the low propensity voters who are a requirement for Republicans to win. I’d be a lot more nervous as a Democratic voter if the Republican opponent is someone like Brian Kemp or Glenn Youngkin, then I will be if it is JD freaking Vance.
 
sringwal said:
You all underestimate Vance at your own peril. The democratic propaganda machine needs to be pushing against him, right now, as hard as they do against Trump.
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It’s definitely entirely possible I’m underestimating fans. I freely admit that I underestimated Trump in 2024, which was stupid considering I had an entire decade worth of evidence that should have convinced me the folly of such.

JD Vance is no Donald Trump in any of the ways in which Donald Trump has successfully been able to commandeer the entire Republican Party and the entire conservative movement in America. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think that Vance can’t or won’t win, but I do feel a lot more confident if he is the Republican nominee in 2028 than I do otherwise.
 
CFordUNC said:
It’s definitely entirely possible I’m underestimating fans. I freely admit that I underestimated Trump in 2024, which was stupid considering I had an entire decade worth of evidence that should have convinced me the folly of such.

JD Vance is no Donald Trump in any of the ways in which Donald Trump has successfully been able to commandeer the entire Republican Party and the entire conservative movement in America. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think that Vance can’t or won’t win, but I do feel a lot more confident if he is the Republican nominee in 2028 than I do otherwise.
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If we aren't full on authoritarian fascist by then, I see Vance as being the key in the ignition that gets us there.
 
I continue to think Trump is a unique and inimitable event in American politics. Nobody else, including Vance, can come even close to replicating what Trump does in terms of commanding attention. If we survive the next 3.5 years, I think we will see late 2024 and early 2025 as the high water mark of MAGA's proto-fascist efforts to replace American democracy with autocracy. I don't think there's a MAGA without Trump, and I think Trump will be so deeply unpopular by January 2029 (assuming he's still alive then) that millions of Americans who voted for him in 2024 would deny it even under waterboarding.

I, like so many, have consistently underestimated Trump's ability to impact elections in which he's on the ballot. But MAGA has not done well in recent elections in which Trump is NOT on the ballot, and while I'm sure Trump would like to have it otherwise, I don't think he'll ever be on a ballot again. And if he is, we'll be at a point where there's nothing worth saving.
 
It's gonna be J.D. on the Pub side (unless Trump miraculously survives this term - alive - and somehow convinces the courts and congress to allow him a 3rd term).
For those Democrat leaning friends that have either stayed home or voted third party because they just didn't care much for the candidate or they thought that they are all the same, here's a bit about those complaining about things they dislike about Newsom:
Yes -- there are some things that Gavin Newsom has said and done that I disagree with.
But ... if he were the candidate, I would vote for him. Hell, I'd vote for Bill the Cat if he were running against any rethuglican. But the real point is this:
You are not getting a f@cking pony! Nobody is getting a pony! Stop demanding a pony! The stupidity of voting for the third party candidate who has no chance of winning but who promises a pony is how we got Bush, how we got trump, how we will lose whatever is left of all that we cherish! Just f@cking stop it! There are no ponies! The best we can hope for is a competent plow horse! And I don't care if the plow horse has twenty bad habits. I want the crops in the barn!
Gavin Newsom isn't the candidate -- right now he's the guy who's living rent-free in trump's head. He's the one who's saying what needs to be said. He's the one willing to be dangerous. Thank him for that. And shut up with all the reasons you don't like him. Nobody cares. The goal is to get trump and his enablers out of our White House and we have to unite for that common cause, right now.
 
Pulling the discussion in the Current Events thread into this one, here's what I've been wondering recently.

1. Assuming we actually have a transfer of power, the US from 2029 through at least 2032 or so is EXTREMELY likely to be a shitshow. Economic catastrophe, international isolation, historically low consumer confidence and public approval of elected officials. Everything Trump is doing right now is borrowing for the present at the expense of tomorrow, which means we're going to have hell to pay in a couple of years.

2. I would almost rather have a Pub presiding over the 2029-2032 shitshow than a Dem, because the Dem will 100% be blamed for things that are not his/her fault.

3. I do not know if we can get to 2032 with an intact nation. If we can, that may be the opportunity for Dems to switch the dynamic and actually benefit from the Pubs' incompetence, rather than being handicapped by it.

4. What encourages me a tiny bit is that while we're clearly slouching towards Gomorrah on a daily basis, everything has not fully collapsed yet.

5. What discourages me is we're still only a little more than 1/8 of the way through this historically catastrophic presidency, and I'm losing confidence we can make it to 2028, much less 2032.
 
lawtig02 said:
Pulling the discussion in the Current Events thread into this one, here's what I've been wondering recently.

1. Assuming we actually have a transfer of power, the US from 2029 through at least 2032 or so is EXTREMELY likely to be a shitshow. Economic catastrophe, international isolation, historically low consumer confidence and public approval of elected officials. Everything Trump is doing right now is borrowing for the present at the expense of tomorrow, which means we're going to have hell to pay in a couple of years.

2. I would almost rather have a Pub presiding over the 2029-2032 shitshow than a Dem, because the Dem will 100% be blamed for things that are not his/her fault.

3. I do not know if we can get to 2032 with an intact nation. If we can, that may be the opportunity for Dems to switch the dynamic and actually benefit from the Pubs' incompetence, rather than being handicapped by it.

4. What encourages me a tiny bit is that while we're clearly slouching towards Gomorrah on a daily basis, everything has not fully collapsed yet.

5. What discourages me is we're still only a little more than 1/8 of the way through this historically catastrophic presidency, and I'm losing confidence we can make it to 2028, much less 2032.
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I tend to agree about having a pub prez preside over the shit show which will surely be with us after 2028. Let them take the heat for the lousy situation we’ll be in by then. Like as has been pointed out several times before, a pub Prez always crashes the car, a Dem takes over and has to shoulder the blame for the wreck, and account for the amount of money it takes to repair the vehicle. Which in turn leads the American public to elect yet another dumbass Pub for prez. (Because Americans are dumbasses with a short memory). Wash rinse and repeat. Maybe break that cycle for once?
“Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again 🎶”
 


It didn’t work for Tim Scott but blessings to the couple for their union.
 
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