Going after Greenland

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Unc12003 said:
I’m convinced this is all because he’s dying soon so guess rushing to fulfill his dream of being an imperialist dictator like Putin before it happens. His terribly fragile ego wants him to acquire something big for the us before he goes as “legacy”

I can’t think of anything other than his ego as a reason that this is happening
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He’s STUPID is a possibility.

The American oligarchs are manipulating him is another possibility. Those oligarchs want the US, NATO, the EU, Japan, Australia all weakened. Again, Trump’s STUPIDITY helps here.
 
Callatoroy said:
I think he is right that we have to end up with it. I think he is wrong on the no matter how part. The entire thing has just been handled so poorly. We could have just picked up the phone and handled all of it behind the scenes without having to come off as an asshole. We made it infinitely more difficult than is necessary and no matter what happens, we will now be the bad guy.
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No, we couldn't have handled it behind the scenes. There is no amount of money that Denmark would accept because they don't buy and sell people.
 
farce© said:
John Mac Ghlionn is a fool.
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I’d never heard of this clown. He’s been a prolific contributor to third and fourth tier, conservative outlets over the last year, but I can’t find out anything about him other than the thin, vague tagline he uses “John Mac Ghlionn is a psychosocial researcher and essayist.”

Psychosocial researcher? WTF is that? Based on the inane things he’s written and where they’ve been published, I’d guess he has, at best, something akin to an EdD or DDiv from a minor Catholic or Evangelical college of suspect accreditation and such little esteem he’s gone to lengths to hide it.

The writings of a random carney are as worthwhile with respect to geopolitical strategy.
 
korgguy1971 said:
IIRC, he wrote an op-ed about how Taylor Swift wasn't a good role model for women because, at the time, she was in her early 30s and was unmarried. Mmmmkay....let's see if Ms Swift manages to make something of herself.
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That was the earliest thing I could find written by him. I wonder who paid Newsweek to publish it. Since then he’s been all over the circuit of minor league blogs and Christian media outlets. It feels like he is being set up as some kind of intellectual to appeal to weak minded conservatives looking for sources confirming whatever half baked position they’ve taken.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Probably the same people who bulk-buy books by "conservative authors" so they'll appear on the NYT bestseller list, e.g., DJTJ's Triggered.
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That's a tradition at least sixty years old. I'll bet even Regnery Press (an unofficial arm of the conservative movement) doesn't even know how many books have been sold that way.
 
Perhaps Trump is rethinking Greenland and putting it on the back burner ?

Trump: Hey Johnny, which is our next country to be taken over ?

Johnny Olsen : Cuba ! COME ON DOWN !!!

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Trump hurls ominous threat toward neighboring country: 'Before it is too late'

President Donald Trump issued an ominous threat Sunday to Cuba, warning that if they don’t “make a deal” favorable to the United States – and soon – it will be “too late” for the Caribbean nation.“Cuba lived, for many years, on large amounts of OIL and MONEY from Venezuela. In return, Cuba...
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wmheel1287 said:
Why do we "have to end up with it"? Since when does any nation have the right to just unilaterally decide that another nation should be "ours"? That kind of thinking is lunacy unless you just want to launch a completely unstable future where every nation is forced into empire building simply so they aren't the next one swallowed.
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Control. Not ownership.
 
Zoo_View said:
I’m assuming Mr. Mac Ghlionn is able to edit his bio on the Martin Center’s site. What are his credentials? Does he have foreign policy experience and expertise? What are his degrees? From which institutions?
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There you go demanding expertise when we know Republicans put little stock in “experts.” Republicans are all about their “feelings” and what they now describe as “common sense.” They’ve abandoned actual knowledge for public humiliation in service of their authoritarian overlord.
 
It's absolutely amazing that other countries need to have talks because the US President is such a fucking moron, that other countries now feel they need to defend fucking Greenland.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This is what rational people have been saying for months. Greenland welcomes American involvement. Do whatbis needed. Do not turn us into some evil colonial ruler for vanity.
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Trump plays evil colonial ruler for the same reason Kristi Noem wears a her cosplay cowgirl hat at press conferences.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This is what rational people have been saying for months. Greenland welcomes American involvement. Do whatbis needed. Do not turn us into some evil colonial ruler for vanity.
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I think that is ultimately the goal and part of trump’s weird logic for getting there (driven in part by his ego). Float the most extreme, radical course to cause worry and panic in order to start the negotiations at a more advantageous point for the US. Great when you are trying to negotiate with adversaries, not always useful when negotiating with allies. I think he goes into every negotiation with a “win at any cost, short term damage be damned” mindset because he thinks time will soothe ruffled feathers.

Then it brings up the degree of control and the various reasons for the level of control desired.

“Marco Rubio
downplayed immediate military action in Greenland by telling lawmakers President Trump's focus was on purchasing the territory, not invading, while scheduling talks with Danish officials, but the administration hasn't ruled out force, causing concern among allies who see it as a serious threat to NATO. While Rubio emphasized diplomacy, some Republicans tried to reassure allies, but the White House maintained that military options remained on the table, creating tension with Denmark and Europe.“
 
Callatoroy said:
I think that is ultimately the goal and part of trump’s weird logic for getting there (driven in part by his ego). Float the most extreme, radical course to cause worry and panic in order to start the negotiations at a more advantageous point for the US. Great when you are trying to negotiate with adversaries, not always useful when negotiating with allies. I think he goes into every negotiation with a “win at any cost, short term damage be damned” mindset because he thinks time will soothe ruffled feathers.

Then it brings up the degree of control and the various reasons for the level of control desired.
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You give him far too much credit for his “strategy” when the truth is simply that he is an asshole and doesn’t know any other way to act.
 
Callatoroy said:
I think that is ultimately the goal and part of trump’s weird logic for getting there (driven in part by his ego). Float the most extreme, radical course to cause worry and panic in order to start the negotiations at a more advantageous point for the US. Great when you are trying to negotiate with adversaries, not always useful when negotiating with allies. I think he goes into every negotiation with a “win at any cost, short term damage be damned” mindset because he thinks time will soothe ruffled feathers.

Then it brings up the degree of control and the various reasons for the level of control desired.
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And sets up a situation where they fuck you over the first chance they get, not that you can blame them.
 
farce© said:
You give him far too much credit for his “strategy” when the truth is simply that he is an asshole and doesn’t know any other way to act.
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I don’t think he is always an asshole. There are many people who oppose him who have said their opinions changed after meeting him in person and privately. I think he is always an asshole when it comes to something business related or some deal he is trying to make where he has the leverage.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don’t think he is always an asshole. There are many people who oppose him who have said their opinions changed after meeting him in person and privately. I think he is always an asshole when it comes to something business related or some deal he is trying to make where he has the leverage.
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Not all leverage is good. If you are my neighbor and I want to buy your house, tear it down, and build a swimming pool, I can create leverage by kidnapping your kids and telling you that I'm going to slowly cut their fingers and toes off until you capitulate and give me your property at a bargain bin rate. Isn't that illegal? Sure, but so is invading an ally. Does using that "leverage" make someone a good businessman? No, it makes them a villain.
 
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