Good faith privately-funded White House ballroom discussion

It isn’t being built……yet
It’s possible to donate before construction.

Others supposedly have.

Did Trump donate to other projects in the White House? Links?

You know Trump won’t donate shit. He’ll claim he will.

But, you know he won’t.

But, you’ll cite his claims as evidence that he’s donating.
 
I have repeatedly engaged you without insult while simultaneously ignoring your insults of me...aka TDS.

I claimed you want a monarchy because that is what it appears. You dismiss any limitation on Trump’s power over the most significant building in the US as TDS. It would appear that you believe the building is his personal playtoy.
Assumptions. All of it? Ask me what I oppose with specificity. Im not a blanket supporter or opposer. The level of hate you convey can’t be defined any other way. Try to go 24 hours discussing a political topic without discussing trump. Bet you cant do it.
 
Assumptions. All of it? Ask me what I oppose with specificity. Im not a blanket supporter or opposer. The level of hate you convey can’t be defined any other way. Try to go 24 hours discussing a political topic without discussing trump. Bet you cant do it.
I go days on end without mentioning Trump. It is, however, impossible to discuss a national political issue without mentioning Trump. He positions himself as the epicenter of government in every way. He rules over thr legislators from his party who have a majority. That means he de facto controls the legislative branch. He publicly bullies and browbeats the judicial branch. What version of national politics in 2026 can be discussed without mentioning Donald Trump?

As for bets, I offered you one earlier that you ignored. I will repeat it. I bet you $1000 that a post Trump audit of the ballroom process reveals vastly more public funds spent than private donated funds. Would you care to wager?

I have asked you questions before with specificity. One of them has been repeated by others in this thread. You can begin by answering that one if you choose.
 
As for bets, I offered you one earlier that you ignored. I will repeat it. I bet you $1000 that a post Trump audit of the ballroom process reveals vastly more public funds spent than private donated funds. Would you care to wager?
How is the bet graded if the ballroom is never built?
 
Assumptions. All of it? Ask me what I oppose with specificity. Im not a blanket supporter or opposer. The level of hate you convey can’t be defined any other way. Try to go 24 hours discussing a political topic without discussing trump. Bet you cant do it.
Trump inserts himself into the national news DAILY. He’s hard to avoid.
 
It’s possible to donate before construction.

Others supposedly have.

Did Trump donate to other projects in the White House? Links?

You know Trump won’t donate shit. He’ll claim he will.

But, you know he won’t.

But, you’ll cite his claims as evidence that he’s donating.
I have made no such claim.
 
It’s not if you aren’t obsessed with him. The Iran war can be discussed on it merits or lack there of and the decisions made.
This is pretty laughable...one can discuss the Iran war without mentioning the POTUS who is the Commander in Chief who is waging the war and unilaterally making all the decisions of which we are supposed to debate?

Here is another bet for you...I bet I mentioned Trump far less often than Trump mentions Biden and I equally bet you that when Trump is not in office I will never discuss the man again.
 
This is pretty laughable...one can discuss the Iran war without mentioning the POTUS who is the Commander in Chief who is waging the war and unilaterally making all the decisions of which we are supposed to debate?

Here is another bet for you...I bet I mentioned Trump far less often than Trump mentions Biden and I equally bet you that when Trump is not in office I will never discuss the man again.
I didn’t say not mentioning him. I said not discussing trump. Maybe you can’t distinguish between the two. His use of a blockade. Good or bad. Obviously he made it but you can discuss it without having to discuss him.
 
I go days on end without mentioning Trump. It is, however, impossible to discuss a national political issue without mentioning Trump. He positions himself as the epicenter of government in every way. He rules over thr legislators from his party who have a majority. That means he de facto controls the legislative branch. He publicly bullies and browbeats the judicial branch. What version of national politics in 2026 can be discussed without mentioning Donald Trump?

As for bets, I offered you one earlier that you ignored. I will repeat it. I bet you $1000 that a post Trump audit of the ballroom process reveals vastly more public funds spent than private donated funds. Would you care to wager?

I have asked you questions before with specificity. One of them has been repeated by others in this thread. You can begin by answering that one if you choose.
Why would I bet anything on what trump ends up doing?

What was the specific question?

He rules over legislatures from his party, yet cant get them to pass the save act, which he desperately wants passed.
 
Why would I bet anything on what trump ends up doing?

What was the specific question?

He rules over legislatures from his party, yet cant get them to pass the save act, which he desperately wants passed.
You specifically stated that you would not support spending half a billion dollars of public money on a ballroom. One of your reasons for support is the private funding. I am betting you now that will prove to all be untrue. That's why you should bet. If your support is based on that, then it should be an easy bet.
 
It’s not if you aren’t obsessed with him. The Iran war can be discussed on it merits or lack there of and the decisions made.
He’s POTUS. He’s omnipresent in American affairs.

He’s instituted tariffs, increasing costs and uncertainty into the business cycle.

He’s sent ICE, poorly trained ICE personnel, into American cities and neighborhoods, and killed and abducted American citizens and legal residents.

He’s completely supported Project 2025; which he claimed to have no knowledge of it during the 2024 election.

He’s savaged NATO.

He arbitrarily attacked Iran; disrupting oil, gas, and fertilizer supplies globally.

He’s gutted support for Ukraine and cozied up to Putin, including ending/reducing sanctions on Russian oil.

I realize you support his policies (IIRC, you “claim” to not like his personality or style; but, you like his policies). He arbitrarily attacked Iran. His policy resulted in a closed Strait of Hormuz and Trump and his buffoonish Cabinet and staff have no clue how to re-open it.
 
He’s POTUS. He’s omnipresent in American affairs.

He’s instituted tariffs, increasing costs and uncertainty into the business cycle.

He did. Biden kept some of those tariffs in place too. He uses them as a weapon, sometimes good and sometimes not. We don’t have rampant, across the board inflation. Like many on the left predicted. Uncertainty is reflected in the markets. They seem to be ok with the uncertainty.

He’s sent ICE, poorly trained ICE personnel, into American cities and neighborhoods, and killed and abducted American citizens and legal residents.

He did. Should have been handled much differently. I support the policy, not the execution. However, I’ll take it any day over the alternative of continued mass illegal immigration and hundreds / thousands of American citizens killed by illegal immigrants. Something the left seemingly cant bring itself to acknowledge.

He’s completely supported Project 2025; which he claimed to have no knowledge of it during the 2024 election.

Sorry, not a project 2025 conspiracy theorist.

He’s savaged NATO.

He did. Initially taking it to far, but since the war im re-evaluating my opinion on that. I will still probably come down on the side of being to harsh but he was right about nato being a paper tiger and needing to step up.

He arbitrarily attacked Iran; disrupting oil, gas, and fertilizer supplies globally.

I support it and think it was far from arbitrary. He is on the cusp of doing something that will make the world much safer if he has the spine to see it through and doesn’t cave.

He’s gutted support for Ukraine and cozied up to Putin, including ending/reducing sanctions on Russian oil.

He forced the support to come from Europe rather than the US carrying the load. He was absolutely correct in doing so. Europe just approved 100 billion loan. It worked. Why such catering to Europe from the left? Why the refusal to hold it accountable for anything. You guys claim free speech is under attack here but pretend Europe is the example the US should live up to. Cozying up to Putin = left talking points.

I realize you support his policies (IIRC, you “claim” to not like his personality or style; but, you like his policies). He arbitrarily attacked Iran. His policy resulted in a closed Strait of Hormuz and Trump and his buffoonish Cabinet and staff have no clue how to re-open it.

He made a mistake not placing security for the strait as priority number 1 when it started. That was certainly a strategic blunder. The pain caused from that is short term and a small price to pay from a neutered Iran with no uranium, no military infrastructure, and no threat to Middle East chaos.
Im extremely fatigued by the damage his mouth does when it’s so counterproductive to what he wants to do. I don’t believe anything he says with regard to Iran. I just wait for the next action to happen.
 
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