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GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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superrific said:
At no point did I say anything like that. There's plenty of bigotry to be found in respectable country clubs full of rich educated elites.

As for this discussion -- I mean, if the shoe fits, wear it. I've pointed out that this anti-trans bullshit is in fact bullshit and yet another chapter in a long line of "concerns" about minorities wreaking harm on majority populations who are not at all threatened. You have basically no answer to that.

And so then you go back to the hissy fit. Waah! You're not giving respect to my irrational bigotry! Waah! This is why you lose elections! Because people like me are so insecure about our own opinions, that when you point out our bigotry , we have no option but to vote for a bunch of grifting con men who expressly promise to destroy most of the national infrastructure that makes America what it is.i

Well, hissy fit away. You broke it, you own it. And when Trump runs the country into the ground, the liberals will again take power and we're still not going to respect your bigotry or acknowledge it as legitimate. Sort of like the gay marriage thing you now admit to having been wrong about. I'm confident you died on that hill just like you're going to die on this one.
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Thanks again for helping prove my point. Like I said...all the concern for the feelings, comfort and rights of trans women and basically none for cis women or parents of females.

Keep the fire going. Burn it down, buddy.
 
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ZenMode said:
Again, it's not about just restrooms, though it seems pretty clear why posters want to bring it back to that.
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Yea, some people keep bringing us back.

I was responding to this, There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable, I didn't bring up the topic again.

And pretty much anything I've said is true for bathroom/locker/shower.
 
ZenMode said:
It's about people not being ok with men punching women in the face in the Olympics. It's about parents not wanting their daughters competing against males who have a clear strength, speed and athletic advantage.
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And this bullshit.

There's what, one?, actually occurrence?

The percentage of trans women in women's sports is 0.0000001%.

That's really something to worry about.

The problem is these idiots don't understand actual data on demographics and large numbers.

Just look at the other post where people were polled, and they seemed to believe that trans people were over 20% of the population.

More ignorance to support their fear.

If every single trans woman wanted to play sports, there wouldn't be enough to form their own team or league.
 
ZenMode said:
No it hasn't been debunked.
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www.pbs.org

False accusations surrounding Olympic boxer highlight debate around gender and sports

The 2024 Olympics have garnered tens of millions of viewers with jaw-dropping performances and compelling storylines. But in recent days, controversy surrounding the gender of one boxer has also consumed headlines. William Brangham discussed what this says about the future of women’s sports with...
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I have plenty of respect for the opinions and rights of cis women. I don't have respect for bullshit. The fact that you have no argument and have been resorting to grievance-whining is telling.
 
Zen is about intuition, meditation and acceptance. Me thinks you need to focus more on meditation and acceptance ZMode and STFU with your intuition.
 
superrific said:
www.pbs.org

False accusations surrounding Olympic boxer highlight debate around gender and sports

The 2024 Olympics have garnered tens of millions of viewers with jaw-dropping performances and compelling storylines. But in recent days, controversy surrounding the gender of one boxer has also consumed headlines. William Brangham discussed what this says about the future of women’s sports with...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

I have plenty of respect for the opinions and rights of cis women. I don't have respect for bullshit. The fact that you have no argument and have been resorting to grievance-whining is telling.
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I understand the paperwork aspect, but the DSD diagnosis means there is more going on there than just what is said on paperwork. We don't have any medical support either way.

At the very least there is ambiguity in her gender and the people that were under the impression that she was a male were not okay with what they perceived was happening. Mature males vs mature females, at most any level of sports, isn't going to be a fair fight.

"I have plenty of respect for the opinions and rights of cis women."

Well, let me know when you express any of it.
 
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superrific said:
www.pbs.org

False accusations surrounding Olympic boxer highlight debate around gender and sports

The 2024 Olympics have garnered tens of millions of viewers with jaw-dropping performances and compelling storylines. But in recent days, controversy surrounding the gender of one boxer has also consumed headlines. William Brangham discussed what this says about the future of women’s sports with...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

I have plenty of respect for the opinions and rights of cis women. I don't have respect for bullshit. The fact that you have no argument and have been resorting to grievance-whining is telling.
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No you don't. The trans population is approx. .25%. The women in this country who oppose penises in women's bathrooms is millions more. If you respected the opinions and rights of cis women you wouldn't dismiss it and call it bullshit. Your ethics are purely situational. Own it.
 
Callatoroy said:
No you don't. The trans population is approx. .25%. The women in this country who oppose penises in women's bathrooms is millions more. If you respected the opinions and rights of cis women you wouldn't dismiss it and call it bullshit. Your ethics are purely situational. Own it.
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Well, for one thing, I've never met a cis woman who thinks she needs bathroom protection. Every cis woman I know is supportive of trans identity. Not every cis woman in the country, yes, but a majority do not think like you do.
 
ZenMode said:
I understand the paperwork aspect, but the DSD diagnosis means there is more going on there than just what is said on paperwork. At the very least there was ambiguity in her gender and the people that were under the impression that she was a male were not okay with what they perceived was happening. Mature males vs mature females, at most any level of sports, isn't going to be a fair fight.

"I have plenty of respect for the opinions and rights of cis women."

Let me know when you express any of it.
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How could we express it where you would see it?

Should I say: "Cis women, I hear you. But there is no support to the fear that you have caused by the right's political agenda to keep you scared to go into restrooms and locker rooms" ?
 
Callatoroy said:
No you don't. The trans population is approx. .25%. The women in this country who oppose penises in women's bathrooms is millions more. If you respected the opinions and rights of cis women you wouldn't dismiss it and call it bullshit. Your ethics are purely situational. Own it.
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.25% therefore this fear that a trans woman is in the restroom is almost impossible.

How many millions and millions of cis women go to the restroom or locker room each day and do not verify that no one has a penis?

99% of them go without concern. Only the Nancy Mace's of the world keep it stirred up.
 
superrific said:
Well, for one thing, I've never met a cis woman who thinks she needs bathroom protection. Every cis woman I know is supportive of trans identity. Not every cis woman in the country, yes, but a majority do not think like you do.
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So now it’s about majorities?
 
UNCatTech said:
How could we express it where you would see it?
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Not sure what you mean, but I'm planning on this being my last post. What I'm saying is largely falling on deaf ears.
Should I say: "Cis women, I hear you. But there is no support to the fear that you have caused by the right's political agenda to keep you scared to go into restrooms and locker rooms" ?
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"But there is no support to the fear...."

It's not just about fear of sexual assault. It's also not just about restrooms. It's about males in girl's/women's sports. It's about males in girl's/women's locker rooms and showers.

The only concern that is acknowledged here is concern about the feelings of trans men and women and THEIR feelings and THEIR comfort. The feelings of cis women are swept aside. In fact they are ridiculed for even having them. As I noted on my second post:

I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.

You have now added an additional layer justification for disregarding the comfort and feelings of cis women: (summarizing) "You don't really feel the way you feel. You're just being brainwashed by the political right."

The views of most every poster in this thread are that trans people are uncomfortable being in the restroom/locker room/shower that doesn't align with their "gender" and that uncomfortableness is a feeling that should be addressed by allowing them to go into the restroom/locker room/shower that makes them feel comfortable.

Well, if trans people have feelings of uncomfortableness about being in areas that don't align with their gender, why wouldn't cis women have equal and opposite feelings and uncomfortableness at the prospect of having people of the wrong sex in their areas?
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure what you mean, but I'm planning on this being my last post. What I'm saying is largely falling on deaf ears.
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No, it is not. We hear you, we simply disagree.

You keep claiming that the 99.9% are scared of the .1%, but you provide no data supporting why they should be scared. Then when we point out that the right is blowing this out of proportion, you simply say we are not listening. AGAIN.
 
ZenMode said:
Well, if trans people have feelings of uncomfortableness about being in areas that don't align with their gender, why wouldn't cis women have equal and opposite feelings and uncomfortableness at the prospect of having people of the wrong sex in their areas?
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Are you really making this comparison?

Trans women and women that don't fit feminine norms are persecuted every day, not just in bathrooms. The men are mostly the issue in both cases.

Provide examples of CIS women that fit feminine norms in appearance being harassed by bro culture, see how that compares to trans women.

I also mention women that don't fit feminine norms, because I've seen occurrences of biological women being harassed in bathrooms and other places because they "MIGHT" be trans.

The whole thing is nothing more than fear giving people a license to harass people for no damn reason. Just go to the bathroom, go in the stall, alone, and do your business. Stop worrying about the person in the stall next to you.
 
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