GOP slouches into the crazy to be born as MAGA ~ GENERAL

[ChileG]

Trump has been invited by the president of France for the reopening of the Notre Dame Cathedral. Not Biden but Trump. Canada PM visits Trump at his home. We have no president right now until January 20.
The world has moved on from Biden. Trump is now the acting president according to other world leaders.

Trump to Attend Notre-Dame Cathedral Reopening in Paris

The trip will be Donald J. Trump’s first foreign trip since last month’s election and offers a sign that global leaders are turning the page on the Biden presidency.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah, I’m keeping score as well.
So far Trump’s actions have caused interest rates for homeowners to increase dramatically. So, making costs rise, which is the exact opposite of what he ran on.
So, not good so far.
Everything you mention is window dressing and hasn’t produced any positive changes yet that have any effect on the American people.
Trump doesn’t get points for stuff you imagine will happen in the future.

 

[Yosef]

Yeah, I’m keeping score as well.
So far Trump’s actions have caused interest rates for homeowners to increase dramatically. So, making costs rise, which is the exact opposite of what he ran on.
So, not good so far.
Everything you mention is window dressing and hasn’t produced any positive changes yet that have any effect on the American people.
Trump doesn’t get points for stuff you imagine will happen in the future.

Yeah I get ya. Kinda like the prices at the grocery store under Biden where instead of just homeowners that happened to have a variable rate and no renters it affected every single person in the country.
And it wasn't window dressing here. It actually happened.

 

[ChileG]

Yeah I get ya. Kinda like the prices at the grocery store under Biden where instead of just homeowners that happened to have a variable rate and no renters it affected every single person in the country.
And it wasn't window dressing here. It actually happened.

Yeah, and how the economy was in the shitter when Trump left office and it is doing very well now.
That actually happened.
(And I’m not talking about variable rates, btw. This affects new homeowners and people wanting to refinance).

So, back to point: Trump’s actions so far have only resulted in negatives for the American people. Maybe that will change, but you’ll have to wait until then to claim any sort positive outcomes from his tariffs talk. Having a conversation with world leaders isn’t an accomplishment.

 

[Yosef]

Yeah, and how the economy was in the shitter when Trump left office and it is doing very well now.
That actually happened.
(And I’m not talking about variable rates, btw. This affects new homeowners and people wanting to refinance).

So, back to point: Trump’s actions so far have only resulted in negatives for the American people. Maybe that will change, but you’ll have to wait until then to claim any sort positive outcomes from his tariffs talk. Having a conversation with world leaders isn’t an accomplishment.

Yeah, COVID, a world pandemic kinda had a little to do with that but of course you know this...
It is more of a slap in Biden's face.
How about Biden being led around and helped up a step by their leader in Africa?
He's an embarrassment.

 

[ChileG]

Yeah, COVID, a world pandemic kinda had a little to do with that but of course you know this...
It is more of a slap in Biden's face.
How about Biden being led around and helped up a step by their leader in Africa?
He's an embarrassment.

No, sir. The inflation that happened under Biden was also a result of COVID. So you either use it as a reason for the effects on the economy or you blame the sitting president. You can’t have it both ways.
Personally, I took it into account when judging Trump’s handling of the economy, but MAGAs like you didn’t do the same for Biden.
So, Trump gets credit for the economy crashing under his watch. These are your rules.

 

[Yosef]

No, sir. The inflation that happened under Biden was also a result of COVID. So you either use it as a reason for the effects on the economy or you blame the sitting president. You can’t have it both ways.
Personally, I took it into account when judging Trump’s handling of the economy, but MAGAs like you didn’t do the same for Biden.
So, Trump gets credit for the economy crashing under his watch. These are your rules.

Not really apples to apples.
Biden took all those people who got laid off because of COVID and took all the credit when they were rehired after COVID . Everyone knew the reason Trump's employment rate dropped and knew the reason Biden's employment rate took an increase even though they won't admit it.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Not really apples to apples.
Biden took all those people who got laid off because of COVID and took all the credit when they were rehired after COVID . Everyone knew the reason Trump's employment rate dropped and knew the reason Biden's employment rate took an increase even though they won't admit it.

The fact that you despise Biden but somehow like Trump is absolutely bizarre. All Trump does every day is show his ass and prove what a reprehensible human shitstain he is. But you’re all like “no no look over here!”

Think about whatever morals you’ve convinced yourself you hold and realize Trump doesn’t believe in any of them.

 

[Calheel]

Yeah I get ya. Kinda like the prices at the grocery store under Biden where instead of just homeowners that happened to have a variable rate and no renters it affected every single person in the country.
And it wasn't window dressing here. It actually happened.

I think I know your answer but let's do a thought exercise.

Say Trump beats Biden in 2020. What would you project the U.S. inflation rate to be in 2021 and 2022 under Trump? Keep in mind that the US inflation rate was roughly in line with the rest of world.

 

[Yosef]

The fact that you despise Biden but somehow like Trump is absolutely bizarre. All Trump does every day is show his ass and prove what a reprehensible human shitstain he is. But you’re all like “no no look over here!”

Think about whatever morals you’ve convinced yourself you hold and realize Trump doesn’t believe in any of them.

Biden is the most corrupt President in modern times. It's amazing how you call out Trump but look over Biden.
PS.. I don't think Trump is innocent in many, many things.

 

[ChileG]

Not really apples to apples.
Biden took all those people who got laid off because of COVID and took all the credit when they were rehired after COVID . Everyone knew the reason Trump's employment rate dropped and knew the reason Biden's employment rate took an increase even though they won't admit it.

Huh? Nothing in my post indicated that I was referring only or even primarily to the unemployment rate.
The point is that you can’t give Trump a pass for economic challenges he faced due to COVID but hold Biden responsible for economic challenges he faced due to COVID. Does that make sense? You can’t have it both ways.
You say, “they won’t admit it,” but from where I sit you won’t admit that Biden inherited an environment that resulted in high inflation. You also don’t seem to want to acknowledge that inflation also came back to normal levels while Biden was president and without spiraling into recession, something most people thought was very unlikely to happen.

 

[Yosef]

Huh? Nothing in my post indicated that I was referring only or even primarily to the unemployment rate.
The point is that you can’t give Trump a pass for economic challenges he faced due to COVID but hold Biden responsible for economic challenges he faced due to COVID. Does that make sense? You can’t have it both ways.
You say, “they won’t admit it,” but from where I sit you won’t admit that Biden inherited an environment that resulted in high inflation. You also don’t seem to want to acknowledge that inflation also came back to normal levels while Biden was president and without spiraling into recession, something most people thought was very unlikely to happen.

I can agree to this. No problem with this. Lots of factors can distort statistics. Both sides use them to their advantage.

 

[farce©]

Biden is the most corrupt President in modern times. It's amazing how you call out Trump but look over Biden.
PS.. I don't think Trump is innocent in many, many things.

Do tell.

It sounds to me like you are et up with the QAnon.

 

[Yosef]

Do tell.

It sounds to me like you are et up with the QAnon.

Not going to get into a back and forth on this. The Trump haters on here would only deflect. Again, Biden is the most corrupt President in modern day history.
I never thought the Republicans would ever win the popular vote again. We did and we won every swing state. The American people are tired of the progressive lefts agenda and the corruption. They spoke. The left needs to do some self reflection or the nation will only get more red.

 

[Ramrouser]

I think I know your answer but let's do a thought exercise.

Say Trump beats Biden in 2020. What would you project the U.S. inflation rate to be in 2021 and 2022 under Trump? Keep in mind that the US inflation rate was roughly in line with the rest of world.

It would have definitely been less. COVID and supply chain issues certainly contributed to inflation BUT... Biden + Congress insisted upon passing bills costing $3T in 2021 on top of all the necessary COVID spending in 2020 (including an almost $1T spending package passed in Dec 2020). By the Spring of 2021 people were largely vaxed and returning to work but he passed those spending bills anyway even though he was warned by Larry Summers that his level of spending would be inflationary.

My guess is that if Trump would have won inflation would not have risen above 2 or 3% - meaning interest rates could have remained low.

 

[farce©]

Not going to get into a back and forth on this. The Trump haters on here would only deflect. Again, Biden is the most corrupt President in modern day history.
I never thought the Republicans would ever win the popular vote again. We did and we won every swing state. The American people are tired of the progressive lefts agenda and the corruption. They spoke. The left needs to do some self reflection or the nation will only get more red.

So you got nothing. Got it.

 

[Callatoroy]

It would have definitely been less. COVID and supply chain issues certainly contributed to inflation BUT... Biden + Congress insisted upon passing bills costing $3T in 2021 on top of all the necessary COVID spending in 2020 (including an almost $1T spending package passed in Dec 2020). By the Spring of 2021 people were largely vaxed and returning to work but he passed those spending bills anyway even though he was warned by Larry Summers that his level of spending would be inflationary.

My guess is that if Trump would have won inflation would not have risen above 2 or 3% - meaning interest rates could have remained low.

"By the Spring of 2021 people were largely vaxed and returning to work but he passed those spending bills anyway even though he was warned by Larry Summers that his level of spending would be inflationary."

This being a key contributor to why it wasn't just covid causing inflation and why joe gets to own it. He was warned and ignored it for political reasons.

 

[Calheel]

It would have definitely been less. COVID and supply chain issues certainly contributed to inflation BUT... Biden + Congress insisted upon passing bills costing $3T in 2021 on top of all the necessary COVID spending in 2020 (including an almost $1T spending package passed in Dec 2020). By the Spring of 2021 people were largely vaxed and returning to work but he passed those spending bills anyway even though he was warned by Larry Summers that his level of spending would be inflationary.

My guess is that if Trump would have won inflation would not have risen above 2 or 3% - meaning interest rates could have remained low.

Here is the inflation numbers throughout the world:

Inflation by country 2024 | Statista

Data on inflation by country shows the high inflation rates worldwide through 2022 and 2023.

www.statista.com

There is virtually no fiscal policy the US could have implemented in 2021 to prevent inflation, and the monetary policy options were limited -- as evidenced by what happened in every other developed country in the world.

And as you note, Trump himself was responsible for signing into law the 2020 rescue packages. And recall those rescue packages were highly popular politically and it is highly likely another one would have been passed under Trump in 2021 (although perhaps a smaller amount).

The IRA spending did not significantly hit the economy in 2021 or 2022. Indeed, much of that money still hasn't been spent. Just passing a bill doesn't mean the money is spent that day.

Biden's fiscal policies certainly must share some of the inflationary blame in the US. Maybe you can assign 1%-2% to the impact of legislation in 2021. But the idea that inflation under a Trump presidency would have remained at the historical norm of 2%-3% -- in contravention of what was happening around the rest of the world, supply shortages, and 2020 COVID cash -- is not well supported.

 

[superrific]

Again, Biden is the most corrupt President in modern day history.

This is so wild. I can't believe people actually swallow this. Even if you want to exclude Trump because magic asterisk, it's your contention that Biden was more corrupt than Nixon? For real? Really?

This is especially laughable because of the complete and utter lack of evidence of this supposed corruption. All that bullshit about money trails adds up to nothing, and people who talk about things like "OMG the SARs" are just showing off how little they understand.

 

[lawtig02]

This is so wild. I can't believe people actually swallow this. Even if you want to exclude Trump because magic asterisk, it's your contention that Biden was more corrupt than Nixon? For real? Really?

This is especially laughable because of the complete and utter lack of evidence of this supposed corruption. All that bullshit about money trails adds up to nothing, and people who talk about things like "OMG the SARs" are just showing off how little they understand.

The more I practice, the more I think the Bank Secrecy Act (enacted in 1970) was a Trojan horse to make "conservatives" circa 2024 distrustful of the international banking system. Kudos to Mansfield and McCormick if that's the case, but holy shit, the lack of understanding of SARs and AML reporting in 2024 is greater than anyone could have anticipated.

 

[nycfan]