Yes but those exit polls will likely not address how many votes the Dems would lose by more openly supporting Palestine to offset the ones they would gain (some of those leftists say they won't accept anything short of total divestment from Israel and withdrawal of all aid and arms, and that would almost assuredly cost more votes than it would gain).
Very true. I doubt they'd lose many votes in Michigan but they would certainly lose quite a few campaign donations which leads to votes so yeah, you're right.
And, Jill Stein and her voters are happy with that.
My cynicism has engrained the perspective that “claim” is doing yoeman’s work. Plenty of leftists rightfully vote pragmatically. I think the ones voting for Stein, in this political climate, are charitably naive with a heaping portion of contrarian “I’m the mostest specialist”.
In this instance I think you're both right:
then toss in the Bernie bros who stayed home and pouted...
It’s chronic with y’all, isn’t it?
Most of those are barely distinguishable from Stein voters, IMO, and are probably as likely to be ttumpers now as persuadable Harris voters. They want to feel special and the pursuit of exogenous gratification defines them.
stein herself, sure.
The difference is MAGA and evangelicals are a significant portion of the GOP. When the Greens win a primary against a democratic candidate for House (or even state senate), much less actually win a general election for anything of note, they’ll have something to build on. Until then, they remain an unserious faction and useful tools of foreign governments.
Nothing wrong with reminding those who voted for Nader gave us Bush and the Iraq War
Shaming is never a good tactic, IMO.
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It will be chronic as long as Trump remains chronic. Reconcile yourself to that.
This is exactly what I mean. When the term Bernie Bro gets thrown out there, a lot of assumptions are made about what that means. It allows people to map their grievances onto some “other” in the same way that the right does.
There is plenty of blame to go around in 2016, and both the Clinton campaign and leftists can share in that blame. What, in my opinion, frustrates liberals/centrists about leftists today is their seeming continued ignorance of the implications of losing presidential elections to Republicans (in particular as it pertains to control over Supreme Court seats) in favor of prioritizing internecine squabbles with centrists who won't move left enough. You could perhaps somewhat excuse naivete in 2016, though it was still foolish when we knew for a fact one Supreme Court seat was on the line. You can't excuse it now, when we see exactly what Trump's election wrought - most importantly, three Supreme Court seats that titled the Court's composition for decades to come and singlehandedly did more to reverse progressive progress (and the prospect for future progress) than any other political event this century. Not to mention the continued acceleration of executive power and the continued dismantling of the federal government.
Reminding is not shaming
