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nycfan said:


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They arrested dead people? 😁

While I doubt there are 186K dead people, that's a pretty small percentage of 42 MILLION.

The bigger question, one this administration doesn't give a shit about, is WHY do we have 42 MILLION people needing SNAP.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Honestly glad they're going after this kind of fraud. I wish they would put resources into this and instead of going so hard after immigrants. Devote more resources to tax fraud and Medicare fraud while we're at it.
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So, from your statement, I take it you believe what they are saying about the fraud?

Everything, I've read doesn't seem to align with the about of fraud they are claiming.
 
nycfan said:
Yesterday she claimed 186,000 dead people were getting SNAP benefits. That number has grown exponentially since the weekend, apparently, when she said this:

“… "We have found thousands and thousands of illegal use of the EBT card," Rollins said, referring to the electronic benefit transfer cards used by SNAP recipients. "We have been moving people off of SNAP. We've got almost 700,000 people, I think we've moved off just since the president took office. We've arrested about 118 people."

She added, "We found one guy in six different states getting a benefit. We found about 5,000 people that are dead who are still getting benefits." …”


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They may have found people taking advantage of the system, we all know it happens, but finding 112 people, while good, isn't a relevant number out of 42M.

I'm fine with investigating fraud, but that shouldn't negatively impact those who actually need this. And the hyperbole isn't necessary. And in sure the reason for the hyperbole is to sell eliminating the programs.
 
UNCatTech said:
So, from your statement, I take it you believe what they are saying about the fraud?

Everything, I've read doesn't seem to align with the about of fraud they are claiming.
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I saw a report from 2022 that suggested almost 10% of the benefits were overpayments. That's not all fraud. Some of that is administrative mistakes but 10% sounds like enough to go after.

 
I don't disagree that this is worth pursuing but on a sheer cost/benefit basis. keeping the inspectors and mechanisms in place to pursue the tax and business frauds of the wealthy would have benefited the country more. Instead we dismantled almost every oversight over the wealthy and powerful. This is mostly just rotten meat for the MAGAts. Not surprised that you got distracted.
 
finesse said:
I don't disagree that this is worth pursuing but on a sheer cost/benefit basis. keeping the inspectors and mechanisms in place to pursue the tax and business frauds of the wealthy would have benefited the country more. Instead we dismantled almost every oversight over the wealthy and powerful. This is mostly just rotten meat for the MAGAts. Not surprised that you got distracted.
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How about the IRS for ex
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I saw a report from 2022 that suggested almost 10% of the benefits were overpayments. That's not all fraud. Some of that is administrative mistakes but 10% sounds like enough to go after.

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10% seams really high unless this is a blanket of different issues.

As you stated admin issues are not fraud.

Either way, these investigations should not negatively impact those who are honest and really need the benefit AND this shouldn't be used to turn people against the program.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I saw a report from 2022 that suggested almost 10% of the benefits were overpayments. That's not all fraud. Some of that is administrative mistakes but 10% sounds like enough to go after.

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Alaska with a 25% error rate. Curious
The "decisons" about SNAP are mostly made at the local Soc Services-Right? A potential recepient goes to their local office and applies There are like many thousands of those offices -with slightly different "philosophies". How the "auditors" judge these differences surely has some impact. No I have no idea how thorough these audits are..
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"lots of folks", families , have two income earners. One is traditional, W-2, the other works largely for cash. Women doing housecleaning or babysitting , men doing various labor jobs. The local Soc Services office "gets" the W-2 part-not the other. I have no clue if Audits uncover this..But it is not just a SNAP issue, it impacts Medicaid. certainly tax collections
For the record I don't give a shit about these folks getting benefits that say DOGE would say they should not
 
Back in my prison "ministry" days I knew guys that would get out and go home to Graham Not a penny, unemployed mostly. Alamance County would deny them "welfare", cause they were Felons. They would move 15 miles to Orange county and get it in a week
I don't know which county was "right" -I know there are a lot of differences in how county Soc Services make decisions
And for the record if those poor fools did not need "welfare" no one did
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
I saw a report from 2022 that suggested almost 10% of the benefits were overpayments. That's not all fraud. Some of that is administrative mistakes but 10% sounds like enough to go after.

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1 ) The entire SNAP budget for 2024 was 100 billion. Assuming almost 10% of the 100 billion were in overpayments and not knowing how much was fraud vs. administrative mistakes

2 ) In 2024 The IRS estimated that the top 1% evaded ( not avoided ) over 150 billion in federal income tax owed

Which is more "enough to go after" ? The folks on food stamps or the top 1% of tax evaders... and both is not a responsive answer or even a serious response.
 
Overpayments are around 9-10% but underpayments are about 1.5-2%. More importantly, that's a measure of per payment overpayment, not anything to do with the amount. It takes an error of about $50 to count as an overpayment, which is obviously a small fraction of the total benefits. So while it's impossible to know exactly how much money is involved based on those statistics alone, I would guess the total amount overpaid would be around 1% of total benefits.

Meanwhile LOL at our supposed data scientist who can't tell the difference between overpayment instances and overpayment amounts.
 
UNCatTech said:
They may have found people taking advantage of the system, we all know it happens, but finding 112 people, while good, isn't a relevant number out of 42M.

I'm fine with investigating fraud, but that shouldn't negatively impact those who actually need this. And the hyperbole isn't necessary. And in sure the reason for the hyperbole is to sell eliminating the programs.
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It’s why Reagan and so much of the rest of the GOP has gone after WELFARE QUEENS for decades and implied or stated those welfare queens are brown/black.
 
Zoo_View said:
It’s why Reagan and so much of the rest of the GOP has gone after WELFARE QUEENS for decades and implied or stated those welfare queens are brown/black.
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welfare queens driving Cadillacs to use their food stamps to buy filet mignon

good times...
 
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