Has right wing media pushed conservatives further right

chrissteel said:
Seems to me Trump has pushed the gop left. He is more a populist than anything else. He would love to forget about the abortion question, protect us industries, tariffs, ignore deficits, etc. If anything Trump has pushed conservative media left just a little. Conservatives are the one that feel left out. They just have no where to go
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That is certainly true on some issues and I agree that Trump only plays along on some of the social issues.

Where I think Fox has gone very far right is their acceptance of authoritarianism. Not sure if that is necessarily even a right or left position both can embrace authoritarianism when they get to the extreme.

I was thinking the other day how G Gordon Liddy would go on rants about how the military can’t be used in domestic situations (don’t remember the context) but now the right is ready to accept the military involvement in policing.

That might just be their hypocrisy at work though. They have always seemed to have a different opinion on the federal government depending on who is in the White House.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I was thinking about this. I think some of the things that are presented to people on right wing media would have been unthinkable when Fox News started in the 1990s.

I am not sure if that is just a Trump effect or if Fox and others have simply pulled its watchers further and further right as time has gone by.

My questions are:

Is my premise sound? If so, is it a Trump effect or is it a slow nudging to the right from the media, or something else.

And, by the way, if you think my premise is wrong I would love to hear it.
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Yes, the right wing media and YouTube/rumble/socialmedia has pushed more Republicans further right.
 
I really think it boils down a lot to personality types and indoctrination these days. You are either more comfortable with a paternalistic government and/or religion that tells you what is right and what to believe and give you a hierarchy of advancement and improvement to follow.

The other side of the coin are the inquisitive and free thinkers who look for new pathways, new inputs and think government is more about coordination, planning and reconciliation.
 
This is totally off topic but not worthy of created a thread on. I was wondering this morning what Trump really thinks about people who see through his con.

The guy has always been a con man. He likes to speak in superlatives but there is one that actually fits him. He is quite possibly the most prolific con-man in modern times.

Trump knows he is a con-man. I also think he has delusions of grandeur so not everything he does is a con but he also knows when he is conning people. I don’t think con-men have any respect for their targets. But that begs the question on what they think about people who see them for what they are.
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
People are ok with a lot of ideas Rush Limbaugh etc would hate. But they do carry his legacy of despising the leaders who would advance them in government.
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It goes beyond just the politicians.

Right wingers hate the tens of millions who vote for those politicians, despite the RWs actually agreeing with LOTS of the policies. They hate us because of the label, despite “liberals” merely voting for the advancement of policy that most of us collectively agree are good. This is a decent jump off 100 policies supported by majorities of Democrats and Republicans | YouGov. Now, which party do you think actually tries to make these policies happen?

For all the gnashing about populism vs bigotry, I always come back to this: when authors of policy are removed, surveys demonstrate that the policies of liberal pols are consistently well above, and often overwhelmingly above, the waterline.

It’s not policy. It’s marketing. It’s inculcation.

And mind you, I’m no liberal on the basis of identity. I agreed with more liberal policies and critiques, starting with the war in Iraq, despite an upbringing and 20+ years of a virulently conservative milieu and attendance at the most conservative public institution in the country. I vote for liberal pols because they will push policy that most conservatives AND liberals agree with. I have a similar level of disdain towards the politician class as most RWs; however, I’m more willing to vote for actual policies than for empty slogans and irrational revenge against people who actually agree with me on most normal American issues.
 
Fox and Limbaugh just filled an unmet need/market, It was obvious 75 years ago the network talking heads were biased
 
Paine said:
I was convinced by the Selzer poll, the strength of Harris’ ground game, etc.
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I think Selzer was so far off because many people told her they were going to do one thing and ultimately did the exact opposite.

As for ground game... If I never hear about her ground game again it'll be too soon.
 
chrissteel said:
Seems to me Trump has pushed the gop left. He is more a populist than anything else. He would love to forget about the abortion question, protect us industries, tariffs, ignore deficits, etc. If anything Trump has pushed conservative media left just a little. Conservatives are the one that feel left out. They just have no where to go
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Trump would love to forget about abortion during his 2024 campaign. That was not the case in 2016 or during his first term.

Yesterday I was thinking about how, for the first time in my adult life, the Pro-life movement was quiet as a mouse during the election season.
 
NCK9 said:
Has right wing media pushed Bill Maher further right?

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Bill is a loon in the mold of RFK,Jr. when it comes health issues and a Pamela Geller loon when it comes to Islam...

I think the number of joints he has smoked over the last 15 years has pickled his brain 😏
 
Paine said:
Listen to his shows recently. He’s always been a reactionary but he’s taken it to a new level the past few years. Just an elitist ass.
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A long time ago when he had Politically Incorrect on the Comedy Channel pretty regularly. I thought he had some really interesting questions to ask and wasn't afraid to ask them. I appreciated that. I haven't listened to him other than soundbites in decades so I don't know if this is still true. I felt like the reason he was good at questions was because he had some of the world's dumbest answers. So don't rule out stupid.
 
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Where do I fall on the spectrum? I consider myself fairly conservative

Things I support:

First trimester abortion - abortion at any time if mother's health in jeopardy or fetus with serious birth defects, incest / rape
Stem Cell Research
Strong border security - legal immigration overhaul to expedite citizenship process / merit based immigration citizenship
Strong national defense (much more so than where we stand today)
Prison reform
Term Limits for congress and SCJ
Strong election security overhaul
Balanced Budget Amendment
Making Daylight Saving Time permenant
Global Warming & common sense environmental control measures
Some gun control measures
Death Penalty
America First initiatives
Personal and Corporate tax code reform
welfare reform
obamacare (with some modifications) I admit I was wrong when I initially opposed it
Harsh penalties for abusive cops/those in public trust jobs including politicians
State control of education with school choice and free community college tuition
Limited Deregulation of businesses (compared to where we are right now)
 
CFordUNC said:
and folks like me who thought that it was great campaign strategy to try to court disaffected Republicans, were flat out wrong. In hindsight, it was a terrible campaign strategy.
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It wasn't a terrible campaign strategy. If it had been the strategy from the beginning, maybe so. But they didn't start campaigning together until the last couple of weeks, and that was an attempt to pick off as many straggling votes as possible.

I think the campaign knew better than we did that it was behind. nycfan said David Plouffe seemed nervous on TV the day before. I didn't see it, but maybe she was right. Maybe the emails about being behind -- the ones that we thought were running through the tape -- were not.

Anyway, if people were really voting on economic issues, it was baked a long time ago. Inflation is gone. The economy is great. People were voting based on 2022. There's nothing we can do about that now.

As you know, I've seen nothing to lead me to believe that it was the economy that sunk her. This election was all about cultural shit -- racism, trans, etc. That "Kamala is for they/them" ad was unfortunately very well done, in that it resonated with people who don't know better.

The biggest mistake Dems made was going all-in on trans rights. I said as much a while ago. I completely understand that we feel that it's important to stand up for everyone's rights, but the reality is that now everyone has fewer rights and will be in much worse shape than if we had shut up about trans. We should have at least been like, "no biological males in women's sports." Draw a line. Yes, it's ridiculous but if we want votes of idiots then we have to speak to them in their language.
 
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