Heels vs Horned Frogs
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uncjhodges
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There were plenty of red flags about this. I basically held up my skepticism until Monday morning, then let the hype get me sucked all the way back in. Even joined the On3 stuff cause i thought there’d be some good intel (there really wasn’t) I left the game at half pretty furious and probably won’t go back. I’ll spend my UNC sports money on baseball, field hockey, soccer, and volleyball
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Newest theory being floated on IC Premium is the idea that BB viewed this game as a pre season NFL game and really wasn't trying to win the game. Only interested in tape of the players for evaluation for the season. That's why the play calling was so vanilla and the defensive schemes were so basic: we didn't want to show our hand. You won't see the real Carolina team until Central Florida or Clemson because that's when the season begins. BB didn't give a rats ass about the hype of the game and the excitement of the fan base. He's doing it his way so trust the process.
Sounds more like 4D chess to me but there are kernels of truth in this theory.
Sounds more like 4D chess to me but there are kernels of truth in this theory.
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Sorry but that sounds like a complete load of shit.
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LOL. That is some classic message board fan spin. We looked terrible because we weren't really trying. And we weren't really trying because...reasons.
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CB Thaddeus Dixon all but 4 snaps on defense, House played every snap. He must’ve need a maximum amount of tape to evaluate them.
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That theory being floated is the most hilarious and most pathetic attempt at coping I've ever seen. It's completely unserious and it's deeply humiliating. Anyone floating that theory should be considered an enemy of UNC football- that's how absurd it is.
But.....let's workshop this theory. Let's assume for the sake of the discussion that it's true that Belichick and Co. viewed the TCU game as a "preseason game." If Bill and Co. viewed the TCU game as a "preseason game" despite the fact that no such thing exists or has ever existed in college football, are we sure that we want this guy and his staff leading our football program? That shows an astounding level of ignorance for how college football works. You can't just "throw" one of the only 12 opportunities that you have at your disposal to make a case for being included in the College Football Playoffs. Furthermore, why in the world would you "throw" a game that, for months and months now, was quite obviously going to be one of the biggest spectacles in the entire athletic history of the University, with all eyes in the sports universe on Chapel Hill and Chapel Hill only on Labor Day night?
If Bill Belichick "doesn't give a rat's ass" about the hype of the game or the excitement of the fanbase, then- pardon my French here- what in the literal fuck is the University of North Carolina and its donors paying him 50 MILLION DOLLARS for? He was hired to, quite literally, fire up the fanbase so that it would financially support North Carolina Football at levels previously unprecedented, so that we could then have resources to compete at levels previously unprecedented. If Belichick and Co. are moronic enough to "not care about the excitement of the fanbase" then they need to be fired for cause on the spot, because it is quite literally their job to give the fanbase a product about which it will be excited and on which it will spend money.
But.....let's workshop this theory. Let's assume for the sake of the discussion that it's true that Belichick and Co. viewed the TCU game as a "preseason game." If Bill and Co. viewed the TCU game as a "preseason game" despite the fact that no such thing exists or has ever existed in college football, are we sure that we want this guy and his staff leading our football program? That shows an astounding level of ignorance for how college football works. You can't just "throw" one of the only 12 opportunities that you have at your disposal to make a case for being included in the College Football Playoffs. Furthermore, why in the world would you "throw" a game that, for months and months now, was quite obviously going to be one of the biggest spectacles in the entire athletic history of the University, with all eyes in the sports universe on Chapel Hill and Chapel Hill only on Labor Day night?
If Bill Belichick "doesn't give a rat's ass" about the hype of the game or the excitement of the fanbase, then- pardon my French here- what in the literal fuck is the University of North Carolina and its donors paying him 50 MILLION DOLLARS for? He was hired to, quite literally, fire up the fanbase so that it would financially support North Carolina Football at levels previously unprecedented, so that we could then have resources to compete at levels previously unprecedented. If Belichick and Co. are moronic enough to "not care about the excitement of the fanbase" then they need to be fired for cause on the spot, because it is quite literally their job to give the fanbase a product about which it will be excited and on which it will spend money.
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I agree that this theory is the ultimate coping mechanism and an overly positive slant but what is the explanation for:
1. Running a completely vanilla offense, between the tackles, when we had serious deficiencies at center?
2. Running plays completely ill suited for Lopez's strengths (no roll outs, RPOs, QB running plays). If you're going to go with that game plan then go with Max, since it plays to his strengths as a QB.
3. No quick passes to the running backs or tight ends to loosen things up and to stop TCU from stacking the box?
4. Sticking with a base defense and not putting pressure on their hot QB?
The answer can't be that BB and the coaching staff don't know what they're doing or are stupid?
I'm having a hard time wrapping my arms around this game now that the emotions have worn off and the dust has settled. I find no good explanation as to why the game planning and schemes were so bad after the first series.
1. Running a completely vanilla offense, between the tackles, when we had serious deficiencies at center?
2. Running plays completely ill suited for Lopez's strengths (no roll outs, RPOs, QB running plays). If you're going to go with that game plan then go with Max, since it plays to his strengths as a QB.
3. No quick passes to the running backs or tight ends to loosen things up and to stop TCU from stacking the box?
4. Sticking with a base defense and not putting pressure on their hot QB?
The answer can't be that BB and the coaching staff don't know what they're doing or are stupid?
I'm having a hard time wrapping my arms around this game now that the emotions have worn off and the dust has settled. I find no good explanation as to why the game planning and schemes were so bad after the first series.
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obviously is.
I think the ultimate answer is that our offensive staff leaves a ton to be desired and Bellichick came up with a shitty defensive game plan for the veer and shoot. that paired with our thin and poor DL and constant 3 and outs, eventually wore us down. We paid for and expected an upgrade- the fans and environment delivered and our coach took a giant shit on the field
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I say this as someone who really wants UNC football to be great, but is there any evidence BB is a great coach when Tom Brady isn't under center?
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I think those are totally fair and valid questions. I think the answer to most of them, and probably all of them, is a lot simpler than that wacky theory being floated by fans on IC. I think the answer is that this coaching staff, despite being led by the most accomplished NFL coach of all time, has some major flaws in terms of relevant experience in coaching, scheming, playcalling, and game planning at the collegiate level. Freddie Kitchens had one of the most disastrous head coaching stint anyone has ever had in the NFL, and has never been known to be a prolific OC or playcaller, yet he is our OC and playcaller. This staff has virtually zero collective collegiate coaching experience, so they were probably entirely reliant upon what they know, which is coaching, scheming, game planning, and playcalling for the NFL, which is decidedly different from doing it in college. A lot of NFL people seemingly have an arrogance about them that leads them to believe that "football is football" and that just because they were successful at the professional level, then they will automatically be successful doing the same things at the collegiate level, because the collegiate level must just be the "JV league" of the NFL.
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I hear that a lot, but you can't give Brady 100% of the credit for the Patriots' domination over the past decades. Now, has BB lost a step and is he too stubborn to coach today may be more viable questions.
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Not only is there not evidence that Belichick is a great coach when Tom Brady isn't the QB, there is plenty of evidence that he is *not* a great coach when Tom Brady isn't the QB. He's 84-104 in his NFL career as a HC without Brady. That's 188 games- essentially 12 full NFL seasons- worth of evidence.
I definitely don't believe it was ALL Brady, for what it's worth. Not even close. Brady likely thrived as much as he did in a culture and an environment like the one Bill fostered that was all business all the time, no nonsense, structured and rigidly disciplined to a fault, etc. But I do think it's interesting that when Brady left New England, the Pats immediately fell apart, and the Bucs immediately become contenders and won a Super Bowl.
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He was really good at knowing when to cut aging or expensive players loose, but --
With Tom Brady (2001–2019)
- Record: 219-64
- Achievements: Six Super Bowl wins, 18 winning seasons, and 17 AFC East titles.
- Playoff Success: 30 playoff victories.
- Team Record: 29-38 in the four seasons after Brady left.
- Coach's Record: Bill Belichick's record with the Patriots without Brady was 47-57 in the same span.
- Playoffs: Only one playoff appearance.
- Division Titles: No AFC East titles.
- Overall Impact: The team's performance significantly declined, leading to a need for rebuilding and searching for a new franchise quarterback.
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If there is ANY truth to that, he should be terminated for cause today. For the record, I think there is zero truth to it.
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that is the stupidest goddamn thing i have ever heard but not unexpected from that cult house
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That is not entirely accurate. The Patriots were without Tom Brady in 2008, when he got a knee injury in game 1. They went 11-5 that year, tying with the Dolphins, but lost the tiebreaker. So if you are counting Brady and non-Brady stats, 2008 should be in the non-Brady column.