Heels vs Horned Frogs

For all the lows Fedora took us to the ACC title game against Clemson, a competitive game that might have gotten us in the 4-team playoff if we had won it (and if the current playoff system had been around then, we likely would have been in it). If Belichick does that he will have exceeded my expectations.
I don't think we'd have made the 4-team CFP if we'd have beaten Clemson that year, we were just too far from the top of the CFP list to have been included. I do think we would have made a 12-team CFP that year (had it existed), even after losing to Clemson.

The Fedora era was interesting and largely (at least moderately) successful, until those last 2 terrible years.
 
I don't think we'd have made the 4-team CFP if we'd have beaten Clemson that year, we were just too far from the top of the CFP list to have been included. I do think we would have made a 12-team CFP that year (had it existed), even after losing to Clemson.

The Fedora era was interesting and largely (at least moderately) successful, until those last 2 terrible years.
I tend to agree with you, but it was a serious enough question that lots of ESPN talking heads were opining throughout the week leading up to the Clemson game whether we should get in if we beat Clemson. The only week of my adult lifetime when UNC football was nationally relevant.
 
I don't think he was really pushing back on it being declared a disaster because he thinks Belichick will turn it around. He compared Belichick at UNC to Joe Namath on the Rams, Emmitt Smith on the Cardinals, etc. He's not making those comparisons to say that Belichck will be successful at UNC. H's basically predicting Belichick will fail, he's just saying everyone should leave him alone and let him enjoy his "retirement" as UNC coach. (I.e. - the exact scenario many of us have been worried about.)
Sure, like I said he was poking fun at UNC/Belichick and he never said anything to insinuate that he thinks it will actually be successful in the long run.

He specifically said “it’s only been one game” though and referenced Eisen himself preaching patience about Arch Manning’s dud of an opener. Basically saying let’s at least let more of the season play out before all of the people that want to see this fail officially throw a party.
 
I don't think we'd have made the 4-team CFP if we'd have beaten Clemson that year, we were just too far from the top of the CFP list to have been included. I do think we would have made a 12-team CFP that year (had it existed), even after losing to Clemson.

The Fedora era was interesting and largely (at least moderately) successful, until those last 2 terrible years.
I’m not sure, they just kind of make up the rules as they go with that thing but in my mind at the time, i thought we had a decent shot- it would have been between us and 2 loss Stanford.
Fedora had a really good eye for offensive talent, particularly skill position guys. Outside of that he was poor to mediocre at the other aspects of coaching. Once he missed on QB and lost Anderson and Littrell and decided to replace with a committee, the bottom quickly fell out. He still came in during a very difficult time and gave up 5 solid years before that happened.
 
I tend to agree with you, but it was a serious enough question that lots of ESPN talking heads were opining throughout the week leading up to the Clemson game whether we should get in if we beat Clemson. The only week of my adult lifetime when UNC football was nationally relevant.
I think we would only have gotten in had we absolutely pounded Clemson, which I don't think we were built to do. I could have seen either Stanford or still Clemson getting in had we beaten Clemson by only a small amount.

I'm guessing you're too young to have been an adult for the end of Mack 1.0 in Chapel Hill. We were certainly nationally relevant then. I think one could make a case we were nationally relevant, at least as a dark horse NC candidate, before the shit hit the fan in 2010.
 
I think we would only have gotten in had we absolutely pounded Clemson, which I don't think we were built to do. I could have seen either Stanford or still Clemson getting in had we beaten Clemson by only a small amount.

I'm guessing you're too young to have been an adult for the end of Mack 1.0 in Chapel Hill. We were certainly nationally relevant then. I think one could make a case we were nationally relevant, at least as a dark horse NC candidate, before the shit hit the fan in 2010.

The narrative I remember going into that ACCCG is that even if we won we would still be a long shot to make the CFP. Looking back at the rankings though I feel like we would have had a decent case.

A win would have likely knocked Clemson out of 1 of the 4 spots, and then probably would have us competing with either 12-1 Iowa that had narrowly lost the Big 10 title game to CFP-bound MSU or maybe 11-1 OSU for the final spot, although OSU didn’t even play in their conference title game. The other teams above us all had 2 losses and I don’t think would have had a case to make it over us if we had a win over a #1 ranked Clemson team. With the way that the committee makes those selections though who really knows what would have happened.

As a side note, that 2015 ACCCG was the only time I’ve been to a neutral site UNC game where our fans actually matched the opposition in terms of attendance and noise. I was pleasantly surprised lol.
 
As a side note, that 2015 ACCCG was the only time I’ve been to a neutral site UNC game where our fans actually matched the opposition in terms of attendance and noise. I was pleasantly surprised lol.
Eh, I was at that game, and while the UNC fans certainly held up their end on a per-capita basis, that crowd was easily 70% Clemson fans.
 
I think we would only have gotten in had we absolutely pounded Clemson, which I don't think we were built to do. I could have seen either Stanford or still Clemson getting in had we beaten Clemson by only a small amount.

I'm guessing you're too young to have been an adult for the end of Mack 1.0 in Chapel Hill. We were certainly nationally relevant then. I think one could make a case we were nationally relevant, at least as a dark horse NC candidate, before the shit hit the fan in 2010.
Yes, too young to have been an adult for Mack 1.0. As for 2010, you can speculate that we would have been a nationally relevant team that year had no shit hit the fan, but we were #18 preseason so it's not like we were predicted to be a real contender (we were higher ranked early in the season a couple times in the Mack 2.0 era, but I don't think we ever got to the point of being "nationally relevant" then).
 
Yes, too young to have been an adult for Mack 1.0. As for 2010, you can speculate that we would have been a nationally relevant team that year had no shit hit the fan, but we were #18 preseason so it's not like we were predicted to be a real contender (we were higher ranked early in the season a couple times in the Mack 2.0 era, but I don't think we ever got to the point of being "nationally relevant" then).
The polls in 2010 were released after the investigation had gone public and it was known that we had players who would likely have to sit out some amount of time due to either being investigated/found ineligible. That #18 AP ranking includes the uncertainty of the investigation and I'm guessing we would have been ranked higher had the investigation not been occurring.
 
Its a new world

The GM picks who to recruit

The Rams Club provides his payroll

The Clearinghouse must approve lots of the payroll

The Courts routinely tells the NCAA who can play

The Coaches do Coach

ESPN schedules the games-some are in Europe now

And the Political party in charge in Rawlee picks the next head Coach through their BOT political appointee

And agents advise players on all this
 
Eh, I was at that game, and while the UNC fans certainly held up their end on a per-capita basis, that crowd was easily 70% Clemson fans.
Yeah, me too. We did our part but it was 70-80% Clemson fans. They locked up their spot early and bought all the tickets.
 
The polls in 2010 were released after the investigation had gone public and it was known that we had players who would likely have to sit out some amount of time due to either being investigated/found ineligible. That #18 AP ranking includes the uncertainty of the investigation and I'm guessing we would have been ranked higher had the investigation not been occurring.
I don't remember how much discussion there had been as of the polls coming out (like mid-August or so?) of us having players suspended. Certainly the suspensions weren't announced until well after that. But in any event I just don't really consider offseason "buzz" over our potential to be "national relevancy."
 
I don't remember how much discussion there had been as of the polls coming out (like mid-August or so?) of us having players suspended. Certainly the suspensions weren't announced until well after that. But in any event I just don't really consider offseason "buzz" over our potential to be "national relevancy."
The suspensions weren't announced until after the polls were released, but it was known that the investigation was targeting specific players and that those players were in danger of not being able to play.

Until the first game, everything is off-season buzz, including the preseason polls. So national relevancy in the preseason, and even the first few weeks of the season, are typically built on projection far more than production.

But, for 2010, that is all hypothetical as the investigation was known publicly before the games were able to start.
 
Even a washed up Bill Belichick is lightyears better than, say, John Bunting or Larry Fedora or probably Mack Brown 2.0.
Not sure this is true. That was the most Bunting-esque performance I’ve seen at Kenan since 2003. Even Fedora’s terrible teams were more competitive than that.

Bill is certainly more accomplished than any of those guys. But whether he can coach college football better than them is TBD at this point. The product on the field appeared to be a very solid downgrade from Mack’s teams.
 
Its a new world

The GM picks who to recruit

The Rams Club provides his payroll

The Clearinghouse must approve lots of the payroll

The Courts routinely tells the NCAA who can play

The Coaches do Coach

ESPN schedules the games-some are in Europe now

And the Political party in charge in Rawlee picks the next head Coach through their BOT political appointee

And agents advise players on all this
as somebody said earlier on this thread - us old timers gotta get with the program. It’s a brave new world out there. But I don’t have to like it.
 
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This is constantly ignored by Fedora haters. Not only did we make the ACC Championship game, we were competitive despite very biased officiating (in my view). While Fedora may not have been loved by high school coaches, I think that was overblown and Mack was recruiting big time from states not named North Carolina. I also think NC HS coaches would have come around as not everyone player can go to NCSucks and these HS coaches would need to show they could place players at NC's flagship university.

We were never competitive (and rarely present) in an ACC title game since then.
 
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