Hegseth ordered hundreds of generals to meet on short notice in Virginia

[ChapelHillSooner]

Do you get to do the pullups hands facing in? I.e. can your biceps help?

If so, I could probably do 20 pullups in 10 minutes, and 15 pushups. If no hands facing, then zero pullups. It's true that I'm out of shape and was never a hulking physical presence in the first place, but 50 pull-ups and 100 pushups isn't nothing.

I think it has to be palms facing away from you. Otherwise it would be a chin-up.

I can do 24 or so without stopping if I don't have to fully extend at the bottom. If I have to do full extension then about 16.

(Well, I could a few weeks ago. I am dealing with a hurt collarbone from deadlifting and pull-ups aggravate it so I haven't done any in a few weeks.)

Not saying doing 50/100 in 10 minutes is easy but it isn't crazy.

 

[superrific]

I think it has to be palms facing away from you. Otherwise it would be a chin-up.

I can do 24 or so without stopping if I don't have to fully extend at the bottom. If I have to do full extension then about 16.

(Well, I could a few weeks ago. I am dealing with a hurt collarbone from deadlifting and pull-ups aggravate it so I haven't done any in a few weeks.)

Not saying doing 50/100 in 10 minutes is easy but it isn't crazy.

I've never been able to do pullups. There's something about my spine that keeps my trapezius muscle constantly overstretched and that, combined with being tall, has meant that I really struggle with pullups. Not that my physical prowess or lack thereof is relevant. I certainly don't lift now. I wasn't a big lifter before I shattered my kneecap, but after that I quit entirely.

 

[StrangePackage]

Do you get to do the pullups hands facing in? I.e. can your biceps help?

If so, I could probably do 20 pullups in 10 minutes, and 15 pushups. If no hands facing, then zero pullups. It's true that I'm out of shape and was never a hulking physical presence in the first place, but 50 pull-ups and 100 pushups isn't nothing.

I have very serious doubts about their ability to do this. Strict pull ups and pushups aren't easy.

 

[4thgenheel]

That made me google how many pull-ups Hegseth can do.

"The challenge involved completing 50 pull-ups and 100 push-ups within 10 minutes. Hegseth and Kennedy Jr. both successfully completed the challenge"

I was expecting to hear that he could do X pull-ups in one go. Doing 50 pull-ups and 100 push-ups in 10 minutes isn't exactly something to write home about.

neither of them successfully completed the challenge, lmao.

the majority of hegseth's "pull-ups" were horrendous - essentially CrossFit style kipping pull-ups.

 

[Ddseddse]

All our resident leading contrarian wants are responses to his posts. Please don’t quote him or mention his name. He’s an attention whore of the worst order.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I have very serious doubts about their ability to do this. Strict pull ups and pushups aren't easy.

I’m less skeptical about the push-ups. For most guys that’s like benching around 65% body weight and pushing forward with the arms is a very common movement. Pull-ups are 100% body weight and require muscle groups that are much less frequently challenged.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I've never been able to do pullups. There's something about my spine that keeps my trapezius muscle constantly overstretched and that, combined with being tall, has meant that I really struggle with pullups. Not that my physical prowess or lack thereof is relevant. I certainly don't lift now. I wasn't a big lifter before I shattered my kneecap, but after that I quit entirely.

Limb length absolutely affects leverage and work done by lifting the same weight.

 

[Zoo_View]

I have very serious doubts about their ability to do this. Strict pull ups and pushups aren't easy.

I don’t know if ncsulol still does this for PE. It used (early/mid ‘80’s) to require all undergrads to complete a fitness PE course. Almost no one received an A in the class.

Each exercise had a time limit. Two-three minutes was the norm for most. Remember, there were 50-75, maybe 100, in a class.

To get an A, you had to do something like the following:

• 15+ pull-ups (hands out, fully extended on the drop, underside of jaws on top of the pull-up bar at the top; no leg-kicking, no arching back; fuck-up on any of those and the rep isn’t a rep). You get one shot. You didn’t get to drop and start again to add 2-3+ reps. Less than 3-4 people in the class (all 18-23 year-old males) could do 15+
• Push-ups - I don’t remember the “A” level for push-ups (it likely was 50). Fully extended arms with elbows locked at the top. Rigid body head-to-toe throughout the reps. Chest and nose barely touch the floor on the drop.
• Sit-ups - an “A” level was somewhere around 125-150 in three minutes. Knees bent. All the way down and flat on the ground on the descent. Head touches knees on the ascent.
• The Run - passing wasn’t even a Cooper Test. It was about 1.5 miles in 15 or more minutes. An “A” was two-miles in 12 minutes, IIRC.

My point is that something like 2-3 people out of 50-100 got an “A” in the PE Fitness class…..again, these were 18-23 year-old males.

I remember a girl I swam with from age 7 through 18+. She was an outstanding butterflyer. Always placed in the state meets in the The Top 5-8 or higher in the 50, 100, and 200 flys. When we were 14, the coach started us on weight-training. KT was 5’6”, gorgeous, 110, maybe, great arms and shoulders. She could do 25-30 QUALITY pull-ups and dips.

I was 4’11” or so and 105-110. I was state ranked in the 100 and 200 fly and 200/400 IMs. I could knock off 20-25 pull-ups and 25+ dips.

We were kids with NO body fat and we swam 5-7 days a week; often 2X per day. Our bodies were built to do pull-ups and dips.

 

[Carolina Fever]

Where was the Narional Guard when people were attacking the Capital? Those were the actual insurrectionists. But instead he pardons them all, even people who assaulted police officers. Impeach this sociopath now.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

I’m less skeptical about the push-ups. For most guys that’s like benching around 65% body weight and pushing forward with the arms is a very common movement. Pull-ups are 100% body weight and require muscle groups that are much less frequently challenged.

Doing 100 good push-ups is actually pretty hard but most men can do it if they train for a month or two. I would also be much less skeptical about the push-ups. Especially in 10 minutes. You don't have to do 100 straight.

50 pull-ups is going to be impossible for most men without significantly more than a month or two of training and losing a great deal of body fat.

But here's a training tip for anybody that wants to do more pull-ups. Go to the gym and do as many unassisted pull-ups as you can. For most people that might be zero. Next get on the machine with the pull-down bar. At most gyms that is the bar that hangs by a cable attached to a stack of weights with a seat under it. Set it to somewhere around 100 lbs. Pull that down as many times as you can. Absolute exhaustion. It's probably going to be somewhere between 5 and 20. Skip a day and then try to do pull-ups. You may or may not have increased your pull-up potential by one but after that, get on the machine, set it to 100 lb again and go to exhaustion. Do that every other day for a month or two and you should work up to about 5 to 10 Pull-Ups assuming you're not too heavy.

 

[Mundial]

That's what I was thinking. And Abraham Lincoln used the Union army to suppress unrest in US cities, notably Baltimore and New York. He also suspended habeas corpus and allowed the military to arrest anybody if they were interfering with the movement of military supplies.

He also used the military to arrest politicians and close newspapers that were in favor of ending the war and letting the Confederacy leave. That would be like Trump arresting politicians that didn't agree with his support for Israel or for advocating a peace in afghanistan during his first term. For all the good Lincoln did, that is a stain on his legacy and really doesn't get talked about enough.

Though in Lincoln's defense, he was fighting to preserve the union and end the enslavement of Africans in America. He also knew that any sort of negotiated surrender meant the likelihood that slavery in some form or fashion would remain legal in the South.

In this case, Trump is advocating for the use of military power to crush political dissent generally to advance his political agenda, which is Unconstitutional and morally wrong, right GT?

 

[nycfan]

Good shot of crowd from Axios

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Though in Lincoln's defense, he was fighting to preserve the union and end the enslavement of Africans in America. He also knew that any sort of negotiated surrender meant the likelihood that slavery in some form or fashion would remain legal in the South.

In this case, Trump is advocating for the use of military power to crush political dissent generally to advance his political agenda, which is Unconstitutional and morally wrong, right GT?

Right. Trump advocating for the use of military power to crush political dissent generally to advance his political agenda, is Unconstitutional and morally wrong.

 

[1moretimeagain]

That you, General Kelly?

 

[JCTarheel82]

Whew boy, this thread was a depressing read.

I need a drink.

 

[1moretimeagain]

Whew boy, this thread was a depressing read.

I need a drink.

Trump’s speech today may have been the most disturbing one he’s ever given. He literally told Generals they would be involved in domestic deployments to fight the enemy within.

 

[Patb78]

Whew boy, this thread was a depressing read.

I need a drink.

My advice to all of us is to start drinking heavily. And pray, if you are so inclined.

 

[JCTarheel82]

My advice to all of us is to start drinking heavily.

Already on it.

 

[Centerpiece]

Good shot of crowd from Axios

If that crew follows dear leader to the ends of the earth we’re cooked.
However, I see a crowd of dudes who may rather lead a military coup before they would order their soldiers to slaughter fellow Americans on the streets of Memphis, Portland, Chicago, Detroit or New Orleans.

 

[tarheelbillie]

The Commander in Chief of our military is a mentally ill 5-star draft dodger . His brain is like a gum ball machine. What comes out next is anybody’s guess … including himself. Real purpose of this idiotic gathering was announcement of a political cleansing of top military ranks starting soon. Those remaining or newly appointed will swear allegiance to 'Cadet Bone Spurs’.