Hegseth ordered hundreds of generals to meet on short notice in Virginia

rodoheel said:
Also glad to know that zen thinks every one of the approximately 90,000 current female firefighters in the US is unqualified:

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I think you should go explain to them, zen, that in your vast firefighting experience they are unqualified and need to resign.
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If you were in a burning house and unable to get yourself out due to injury, would you want a female firefighter coming to carry you out or would you want a male firefighter coming to get you and why?
 
ZenMode said:
If you were in a burning house and unable to get yourself out due to injury, would you want a female firefighter coming to carry you out or would you want a male firefighter coming to get you and why?
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I welcome all of my critics to answer this question, as well...
 
rodoheel said:
This is just absolutely a made up problem, man. The fact that you are willing to accept at face value Trump and Hegseth claiming that wokeness has weakened our military despite absolutely zero evidence of it is sad. Theoretical musings are not the same as evidence.
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You are 💯 correct. It's entirely made up just like transgenders in women's sports/bathrooms, illegals siphoning your healthcare and Haitians eating dogs. These people are unserious clowns. The problem is that they know their base will eat this shit up without fact checking them even a little. They quite literally can say anything with impunity.
 
dukeman92 said:


STEPHANOPOULOS: Trump said yesterday that he wants American cities to be used as 'training grounds' for the military. Is that the highest and best use of the military?

MIKE JOHNSON: I run the House. And what we need to be talking about today is real harm that the American people are going to feel because of what Schumer is doing.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Hold on a second. Answer the question. As Speaker, do you believe it's appropriate to use American cities as training grounds for the military, calling those people 'the enemy within'?

JOHNSON: I'm not comment on your characterization of what the president said.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Those are quotes. They are not characterizations.

JOHNSON: Well you can take his quotes out of context, which you often do, and I don't think that's fair to the president.
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Secretary Mike Johnson, everybody. A walking, talking dildo.
 
ZenMode said:
If you were in a burning house and unable to get yourself out due to injury, would you want a female firefighter coming to carry you out or would you want a male firefighter coming to get you and why?
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I would prefer that a super hot woman carry me out and then offer a BJ at some later date. Since beggars can't be choosers I'll take ANYONE who can get me out of the house. What is this "preferred" nonsense? What about a gay black Muslim? Do you prefer them or not? Answer the question!!!!
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
I would prefer that a super hot woman carry me out and then offer a BJ at some later date. Since beggars can't be choosers I'll take ANYONE who can get me out of the house. What is this "preferred" nonsense? What about a gay black Muslim? Do you prefer them or not? Answer the question!!!!
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I'd take a male every single time and not think twice about it. Why? Because males are stronger than females.
 
ZenMode said:
I welcome all of my critics to answer this question, as well...
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Well, if it was my fat ass that was lying in a bed, unable to move myself out of a burning house, two options arise. Option 1: In the situation you describe, I would be praying for the release that death would bring.
Option 2: If this were some sort of temporary disability, then I would welcome anyone who came to rescue me and might even favor a woman on the grounds that it has been my personal experience that women are more empathic than men and while a man decide, "F&^^%-it, I ain't risking my life so this fat-ass can live for another 3 weeks," I believe a woman would do everything she could to get me out of the house and would NOT engage in some sort of GOP-inspired cost/benefit analysis about the value of my life to society.

ETA: My niece is a retired fire-fighter, who served 30 years and retired as a district captain. The test to qualify for training involved picking up a bag that weighed, IIRC, 120 pounds and carry or drag it down a single flight of stairs. My niece is small for a woman. She failed the test the first time she took. Then she spent six weeks in the gym lifting weights and getting stronger. Took the test again and passed.
 
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ZenMode said:
And it could have been yours since we don't know the impact of having less physically capable troops. I'd prefer not to find out the hard way. You apparently want to risk it.
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You don't know that we have less physically capable troops. There is zero evidence that there are active-duty troops who are not physically capable of fulfilling their roles. You are accepting at face value a premise that has no basis in fact. That's my whole point. We don't get to debating the effect of having "less physically capable troops" unless there is actually some reason to think we have less physically capable troops. There is not.

What there is, in real time, is evidence from Ukraine that a military that has thousands of women serving in front-line roles can be perfectly capable as a modern military. You are ignoring that evidence in favor of a theory that if we had physically incapable women serving in front line roles (which there is no evidence of) that it would possibly negatively impact our combat ability.
 
rodoheel said:
Males are, on average, stronger than females. No question. But every male is not stronger than every female.
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Right and I would play the odds and pick a male firefighter. I'd be an idiot not to and everyone who says they'd pick a female is a fool and lying.
rodoheel said:
Who would you rather fight in an MMA fight - Ronda Rousey or Donald Trump?
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You're comparing apples to spark plugs.

If I had to fight an MMA fighter, and had a choice between a male and female, I'd pick a female every time. So would you.
 
ZenMode said:
If you were in a burning house and unable to get yourself out due to injury, would you want a female firefighter coming to carry you out or would you want a male firefighter coming to get you and why?
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I would want the most qualified and capable person to come carry me out and I would not care if that was a male or a female. Obviously strength is a big factor in being qualified in that situation so if person physically couldn't lift me I would not want them to be the one to carry me.

But in any event, this the same stupid logic you're applying to the military. Fire departments do other things besides haul people out of burning buildings. Who do you want driving the fire truck - the strongest person or the best driver? Who do you want directing the flow of water onto a burning building - the strongest person or the smartest and most experienced? Who do you want making the decision about whether it's safe for firefighters to enter a burning building - the strongest person or the one with the most experience and understanding of structural engineering?
 
I would add that it's probably a good thing if our infantry isn't physically strong enough to patrol the mountains of Afghanistan. Maybe it would help prevent us from getting into forever wars.
 
ZenMode said:
Right and I would play the odds and pick a male firefighter. I'd be an idiot not to and everyone who says they'd pick a female is a fool and lying.

You're comparing apples to spark plugs.

If I had to fight an MMA fighter, and had a choice between a male and female, I'd pick a female every time. So would you.
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But your choice in these situations - just like in the military scenario - is not "generic female versus generic male." The military is not forced to put a random female in combat with no ability to determine their readiness and aptitude. Literally no one is suggesting that the army not have qualification standards, which would include physical qualification standards. There is a ton of evidence that women are capable of meeting such standards for many different military roles and are fully capable of serving in those roles. JCDing for Trump and Hegseth's brand of faux machismo as if it's just some simple recognition of biology is foolish.
 
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