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aGDevil2k said:
Holy shit - when I said 1000 year event earlier I was swagging. Seeing it? That's something I have never seen before in my entire life in any location (maybe it happened and I missed it so this is a first).
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I know you know this, but it's not a 1000 year event any more. In fact, I'd bet money that we see another 1000 year event within 30-40 years. Maybe not in the exact same place, but it's going to happen.
 
As for the politics, I just don't understand why Trump and MRob think it will be helpful to them to lying about the storm response. Who are they playing to?

I've long thought that a lot of the Trump people are ready to swallow Trump's lies and bullshit until their own shit hits the fan. "The Border!!1!" just loses its importance when your house is underwater. And people who are there can plainly see what the government is doing, and they know that it's not for Dems only or it's all private or whatever.

But Trump needs votes from WNc. If he loses votes to Kamala because of this, it could sink him. Even if people don't feel motivated to turn out for the person who shits on them, that will hurt Trump.

Wouldn't it be ironic if climate change ends up deciding an election in which both sides have conspicuously stopped talking about climate change?
 
farce© said:
My MAGA neighbor was complaining today that Cooper hasn’t called out the National Guard already. “You can bet if this were Florida DeSantis would have called them up!”
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National Guard was starting to roll into WNC on Saturday after lunch. Saw them with my own eyes when I was at the command center.
Scientific Mapp said:
What good is FEMA doing here?

Not a rhetorical or argumentative question-- they may be doing a lot behind the scenes.

I personally haven't seen or heard of any visible FEMA presence in WNC.
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I was in a command center on Saturday morning. I can tell you without a doubt that FEMA was on the ground. Actually walked right by them on my way out.
lawtig02 said:
From what I’m seeing, the government response to this catastrophe, from local to federal, has been terrific. It’s a horribly complicated situation and will take months or years to complete, but this is a great example of community and government working about as well as the human capacity allows. Lots of suffering, but also a lot of people trying to alleviate it however they can.
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You are right. It's been outstanding.
aGDevil2k said:
West is washed out at Old Fort right?
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No, 40 is open on the mountain in both directions as of yesterday afternoon. There may be delays going west due to lane closures, but it's open. If you haven't seen the video that was posted earlier in this thread, the landslide in question was right at the top of the mountain where the truck pull off is for east bound trucks getting ready to go down the mountain.
 
superrific said:
As for the politics, I just don't understand why Trump and MRob think it will be helpful to them to lying about the storm response. Who are they playing to?

I've long thought that a lot of the Trump people are ready to swallow Trump's lies and bullshit until their own shit hits the fan. "The Border!!1!" just loses its importance when your house is underwater. And people who are there can plainly see what the government is doing, and they know that it's not for Dems only or it's all private or whatever.

But Trump needs votes from WNc. If he loses votes to Kamala because of this, it could sink him. Even if people don't feel motivated to turn out for the person who shits on them, that will hurt Trump.

Wouldn't it be ironic if climate change ends up deciding an election in which both sides have conspicuously stopped talking about climate change?
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There’s an absolute fuckton of misinformation out there right now about the (alleged lack of) government response to this disaster. It’s absurd and cynical political pandering, but I don’t have any doubt the vast majority of Pubs will accept the false narrative that the government is not doing a good job helping the people of WNC. It’s really shocking to see how far some sources will go to use a human catastrophe to score political points.
 
billybobblockhead said:
I was in a command center on Saturday morning. I can tell you without a doubt that FEMA was on the ground. Actually walked right by them on my way out.
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What type of command center and what were you doing there? I'm assuming either a) that's your job; or b) you were volunteering to help. Not asking for any nefarious purpose. Just curious.
 
lawtig02 said:
There’s an absolute fuckton of misinformation out there right now about the (alleged lack of) government response to this disaster. It’s absurd and cynical political pandering, but I don’t have any doubt the vast majority of Pubs will accepts the false narrative that the government is not doing a good job helping the people of WNC. It’s really shocking to see how far some sources will go to use a human catastrophe to score political points.
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Right. And maybe it helps Trump run up the score in Alabama. But he needs these votes right here, right now.

We're seeing Trump/Vance losing votes and support in and around Springfield OH. That maybe doesn't matter because Ohio is red, but these votes do matter. You can gaslight people until they are facing total loss of their communities. At that point, the gaslighting becomes less effective. That's my theory, at least.
 
I see an incredible amount of lying and the subsequent magas chiming in going down on Twitter.

GOP is making as many mud pies as they can.
 
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superrific said:
Oh, I didn't even know about that.
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it was extremely localized and for the most part happened in a place where the rain had the ability to run off onto the ocean. As Helene pointed out, we're not always going to be that lucky, though. As it was, it devastated a huge number of homes and businesses on the Island. For Carolina and Kure Beaches, the flooding was worse than it was for Florence in 2018 (but over a much smaller area).
 
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superrific said:
Right. And maybe it helps Trump run up the score in Alabama. But he needs these votes right here, right now.

We're seeing Trump/Vance losing votes and support in and around Springfield OH. That maybe doesn't matter because Ohio is red, but these votes do matter. You can gaslight people until they are facing total loss of their communities. At that point, the gaslighting becomes less effective. That's my theory, at least.
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Here’s what I can tell you. Being a republican is a way of life for many folks. It’s an identity, often tied in with their faith. This situation is not going to change many votes to the Harris column.

Imagine if Trump, while he was president, had an effective response to Covid. Would you have changed your vote to him in 2020? Prob not. You’d say, yeah, I give him props for doing his job, but can’t wait to get rid of him in November. Same deal here — and that’s only IF people can see past the disinformation machine and give credit to Cooper and Biden.
 
superrific said:
What type of command center and what were you doing there? I'm assuming either a) that's your job; or b) you were volunteering to help. Not asking for any nefarious purpose. Just curious.
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I'm curious as well. We've had a fairly massive staging operation spring up in the last 72 hours 1.5 miles down the road from us. We don't know if it's FEMA or another agency. All the tents and containers and stuff are set too far back from the main road to see anything identifying.
 
Scientific Mapp said:
I'm curious as well. We've had a fairly massive staging operation spring up in the last 72 hours 1.5 miles down the road from us. We don't know if it's FEMA or another agency. All the tents and containers and stuff are set too far back from the main road to see anything identifying.
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Can you let us know what you find out? I’m curious who’s setting up where. Do you have power yet? You’ve been very much on my mind.
 
This is, and always has been, the true meaning behind "Hi, we're from the government, and we're here to help", snide and childish word play aside.

Somebody with better meme & social media skills than me, please cut a meme with "Hi, we're from the government, and we're here to help" with pictures of different agencies doing the work and make it go viral please.
 
lawtig02 said:
Can you let us know what you find out? I’m curious who’s setting up where. Do you have power yet? You’ve been very much on my mind.
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Nope, no power or water at home - still dark and dry - but we have had access to bathrooms and showers at friends' houses since Monday. So no major problems in comparison to many, many others. Thank you for the good mojo.
 
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