How will a Trump presidency affect you?

[Calheel]

What is this word, unalive? Is that a thing? I mean, this is a tangential question but there's not much else to add to this discussion or your post here. It speaks for itself.

It's a GenZ-ism. Designed to get around social media filters that block the word kill, murder or suicide.

 

[StrangePackage]

What is this word, unalive? Is that a thing? I mean, this is a tangential question but there's not much else to add to this discussion or your post here. It speaks for itself.

Many social media platforms have filters that respond to words like kill, die, or suicide. Even in appropriate contexts, using those words can trigger the filters, and have posts flagged for violating content restrictions, or have them be throttled down.

This is one of the popular workarounds for that.

 

[ChileG]

Just checking back in. I was shocked to see where a number of you are doubting whether there was an unprecedented surge of the border by illegal aliens during the Biden Administration. I mean, that's an accepted fact even by the mainstream media and identified as one of the main reasons you lost the 2024 elections. It's like asking for sources or links that the Holocaust occurred.

The illegals haven't swung elections to the Democrats because, after 2020, many red states like Georgia tightened up the voting requirements and kept non citizens from voting.

I don’t doubt that. Do you doubt what I posted?

 

[superrific]

Just checking back in. I was shocked to see where a number of you are doubting whether there was an unprecedented surge of the border by illegal aliens during the Biden Administration. I mean, that's an accepted fact even by the mainstream media and identified as one of the main reasons you lost the 2024 elections. It's like asking for sources or links that the Holocaust occurred.

It is not an accepted fact and you are, again, totally full of shit. Which of these actual facts do you deny:

1. CBP only began reporting encounters in 1999. So "unprecedented" actually means "in the past 25 years."

2. More importantly, they changed the methodology in 2020. They used to report unique encounters. In 2020, they started counting total encounters, including people who presented multiple times. This happened quite frequently under the "Remain in Mexico" protocols employed by Trump and Biden until 2023.

In other words, the numbers since 2020 are inflated so duh, they are higher.

 

[milom98]

"Deporting the 15-20M illegal aliens let into the country the last 4 years"

Admit it, you have no clue.

They must have some big ass prisons and mental institutions in South America to be turning that many criminals and mental cases loose and sending them all here.

 

[ChileG]

It is not an accepted fact and you are, again, totally full of shit. Which of these actual facts do you deny:

1. CBP only began reporting encounters in 1999. So "unprecedented" actually means "in the past 25 years."

2. More importantly, they changed the methodology in 2020. They used to report unique encounters. In 2020, they started counting total encounters, including people who presented multiple times. This happened quite frequently under the "Remain in Mexico" protocols employed by Trump and Biden until 2023.

In other words, the numbers since 2020 are inflated so duh, they are higher.

That’s also why (I think unless I am missing something) the number we want to look at are estimates of how many undocumented immigrants are in the USA at any one time.
It has remained fairly constant since 2007.
And Ramrouser does not dispute this, as these numbers have never been in dispute (that I am aware of).

 

[DougDaBroadcasta]

What is this word, unalive? Is that a thing? I mean, this is a tangential question but there's not much else to add to this discussion or your post here. It speaks for itself.

Many websites flag other more traditional, direct words.

I’ll just say it—if she gets deported back, she’s as good as dead.

 

[Ramrouser]

W

Do you actually...like seriously...believe that noncitizens voted in federal elections to any statistically significant degree in any jurisdiction?

I don't know but I sure like having reasonable but thorough safeguards in place to ensure only legal votes are cast. Proof of identification, duplicate paper ballots, no mass mailings of ballots and hard deadlines for submitting ballots. Also, move the drop boxes INSIDE voting locations.

 

[StrangePackage]

W

I don't know but I sure like having reasonable but thorough safeguards in place to ensure only legal votes are cast. Proof of identification, duplicate paper ballots, no mass mailings of ballots and hard deadlines for submitting ballots. Also, move the drop boxes INSIDE voting locations.

What other things that we have no reason to believe are happening should we be preparing for? While we're just making shit up to be afraid of, why not prepare for the Killer Klowns from Outer Space?

 

[Ramrouser]

That’s also why (I think unless I am missing something) the number we want to look at are estimates of how many undocumented immigrants are in the USA at any one time.
It has remained fairly constant since 2007.
And Ramrouser does not dispute this, as these numbers have never been in dispute (that I am aware of).

According to a September 29, 2024 BBC Article (I use BBC because I know you won't accept any conservative sources):

"Crossings did reach record levels under President Biden..."

"Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico." "Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border."

Also, the US House Committee on Oversight and Accountability and the House Committee on Homeland Security report that over 1.7 million KNOWN gotaways - illegal immigrants who have evaded Border Patrol - are now living in the interior of the US without documentation and without having undergone any vetting by immigration officials.

So if you take the 8-10M entries + 1.7M known gotaways + X amount of unknown gotaways you can get to a figure approaching 15M under Biden.

 

[ChileG]

According to a September 29, 2024 BBC Article (I use BBC because I know you won't accept any conservative sources):

"Crossings did reach record levels under President Biden..."

"Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico." "Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border."

Also, the US House Committee on Oversight and Accountability and the House Committee on Homeland Security report that over 1.7 million KNOWN gotaways - illegal immigrants who have evaded Border Patrol - are now living in the interior of the US without documentation and without having undergone any vetting by immigration officials.

So if you take the 8-10M entries + 1.7M known gotaways + X amount of unknown gotaways you can get to a figure approaching 15M under Biden.

I already said I don’t dispute that.

Do you not understand the difference between what you are claiming and what I am saying? It’s apples and oranges.

Telling me how many people came in without including how many were deported is meaningless. The question is, are there more undocumented people in the US after Biden than before, and the answer is “not really.” It has stayed pretty constant since 2007.

 

[ChileG]

If president X started his term with 10M undocumented immigrants (ui) and one million came in during his term and he deported 1M, then he would have finished his term with 10M ui’s in the USA at the end of his term.

President Y takes over and 5M ui’s come in and he deports 5M, he also ends his term with 10M ui’s in the USA.

You are saying, “look how poor a job president Y did because more UI’s came in during his term than before.”
I would say they performed the same in regards to the number (10M total UI’s in the USA) that matters.

 

[Ramrouser]

I already said I don’t dispute that.

Do you not understand the difference between what you are claiming and what I am saying? It’s apples and oranges.

Telling me how many people came in without including how many were deported is meaningless. The question is, are there more undocumented people in the US after Biden than before, and the answer is “not really.” It has stayed pretty constant since 2007.

December BBC article:

"The number of migrant encounters along the US-Mexico border reached a record high in December 2023, but have dropped significantly during the last few months [election year] and are now at their lowest level since July 2020, according the US Customs and Border Protection."

"More than 271,000 immigrants were deported from the US over the last fiscal year" according to ICE in December 2024. This was a significant increase from prior years. "In the newly released report, ICE said the steep climb in deportations last fiscal year was partly the result of a streamlined process."

271,000 deportations is a lot but is miniscule compared to the 15M or so illegals that entered the US. I don't have the deportation figures from the prior years but they were significantly lower than Biden's last fiscal year.

 

[ChileG]

December BBC article:

"The number of migrant encounters along the US-Mexico border reached a record high in December 2023, but have dropped significantly during the last few months [election year] and are now at their lowest level since July 2020, according the US Customs and Border Protection."

"More than 271,000 immigrants were deported from the US over the last fiscal year" according to ICE in December 2024. This was a significant increase from prior years. "In the newly released report, ICE said the steep climb in deportations last fiscal year was partly the result of a streamlined process."

271,000 deportations is a lot but is miniscule compared to the 15M or so illegals that entered the US. I don't have the deportation figures from the prior years but they were significantly lower than Biden's last fiscal year.

Then why are the total number of undocumented residents virtually the same as they have ever been?
I don’t know, but superrific gave an explanation before that may contain the answer to that.

 

[wmheel1287]

W

I don't know but I sure like having reasonable but thorough safeguards in place to ensure only legal votes are cast. Proof of identification, duplicate paper ballots, no mass mailings of ballots and hard deadlines for submitting ballots. Also, move the drop boxes INSIDE voting locations.

That's a dodge of the question and an abandonment of the insinuation that prompted the question. You insinuated that .migrants haven't turned the tide of elections because reforms have been put into place after the results of 2020 (which are different than current results), so the ball is in your court to take a stance. Do you or do you not believe that noncitizens have voted to any statistically significant degree in ANY jurisdiction in the United States in any federal elections...including those of 2020?

 

[donbosco]

Non-citizens have not voted to any significant level since the early 20th century in some places but even then never voted in federal contests.

Can noncitizens vote in US elections?

Can noncitizens vote in U.S. elections? Federal law bans noncitizens from voting in federal elections, including races for president, vice president, Senate or House of Representatives.

apnews.com

"Research by the Brennan Center for Justice in 2017 looked at 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 election, and reported that of 23.5 million votes cast, election officials only found about 30 cases of potential noncitizen voting that they referred for prosecution or further investigation.

More recent investigations also haven’t shown proof of widespread noncitizen voting. A Georgia audit of its voter rolls conducted this year found fewer than 2,000 instances of noncitizens attempting to register to vote over the last 25 years, none of which succeeded. Millions of new Georgia voters registered during that time period.

Federal law doesn’t stop states or municipalities from granting noncitizens the right to vote in local races — and a handful have, including 11 towns in Maryland and two in Vermont. New York City this year passed a law that would allow legally documented noncitizens and “Dreamers” to vote for mayor and other elected officials, but a judge blocked the move in June."

Just stop with the BULLSHIT claim that non-citizens are voting.

 

[EyeballKid]

I’m not really bothered by Ram’s regurgitation of MAGA lies about “open borders” and such. That’s to be expected.

Rather, I'm bothered by his willingness to demonize—and even potentially criminalize—Americans and American organizations that work to provide humanitarian and legal assistance to asylum seekers and other immigrants.

That’s the big issue here, as far I’m concerned.

We’re at a point where American citizens who’ve broken no laws are now being threatened by Congress with insinuations that they are aiding and abetting the enemy—and that they themselves are therefore enemies of the state.

Same can be seen in other professions—eg, casting Fauci and other scientists and researchers in dozens of fields as rogue criminals who should be behind bars or shot on sight.

That’s the point I wanted to drive home to @Ramrouser , that the conspiracy theories and lies that he and his MAGA buddies have bought into are now having real-world negative impacts on innocent Americans.

It’s no longer hyperbole to grouse about the hypotheticals and what-ifs of MAGA authoritarianism leading us down a dark path to persecutions/prosecutions of law-abiding Americans.

 

[wmheel1287]

I’m not really bothered by Ram’s regurgitation of MAGA lies about “open borders” and such. That’s to be expected.

Rather, I'm bothered by his willingness to demonize—and even potentially criminalize—Americans and American organizations that work to provide humanitarian and legal assistance to asylum seekers and other immigrants.

That’s the big issue here, as far I’m concerned.

We’re at a point where American citizens who’ve broken no laws are now being threatened by Congress with insinuations that they are aiding and abetting the enemy.

Same can be seen in other professions—eg, casting Fauci and other scientists and researchers in dozens of fields as rogue criminals who should be behind bars or shot on sight.

That’s the point I wanted to drive home to @Ramrouser , that the conspiracy theories and lies that he and his MAGA buddies have bought into are now having real-world negative impacts on innocent Americans.

It’s no longer hyperbole to grouse about the hypotheticals and what-ifs of MAGA authoritarianism leading us down a dark path to persecutions/prosecutions of law-abiding Americans.

The terminology "lawfare" was always projection.

 

[Ramrouser]

I’m not really bothered by Ram’s regurgitation of MAGA lies about “open borders” and such. That’s to be expected.

Rather, I'm bothered by his willingness to demonize—and even potentially criminalize—Americans and American organizations that work to provide humanitarian and legal assistance to asylum seekers and other immigrants.

That’s the big issue here, as far I’m concerned.

We’re at a point where American citizens who’ve broken no laws are now being threatened by Congress with insinuations that they are aiding and abetting the enemy—and that they themselves are therefore enemies of the state.

Same can be seen in other professions—eg, casting Fauci and other scientists and researchers in dozens of fields as rogue criminals who should be behind bars or shot on sight.

That’s the point I wanted to drive home to @Ramrouser , that the conspiracy theories and lies that he and his MAGA buddies have bought into are now having real-world negative impacts on innocent Americans.

It’s no longer hyperbole to grouse about the hypotheticals and what-ifs of MAGA authoritarianism leading us down a dark path to persecutions/prosecutions of law-abiding Americans.

I'm not trying to demonize anyone. I recognize that many illegals are hardworking, tax paying people who contribute to society. BUT, we can't incentivize illegal crossings by allowing illegals to stay here just because they're "good people" else we'll never fully get a handle on the border. Biden went waaay to far in opening the border and the price is now being paid. I do think we should prioritize deportations. Criminals and gang bangers go first; recent arrivals who took advantage of Biden's open border and who are simply being warehoused here go next; finally the ones who are not productive and on welfare go next.

Once that's completed; and we have 100% border security; then I'm open to amnesty for the Dreamers and productive noncitizens.

I've never commented on Fauci so I don't know where you're coming from on that assertion.

 

[Ramrouser]

That's a dodge of the question and an abandonment of the insinuation that prompted the question. You insinuated that .migrants haven't turned the tide of elections because reforms have been put into place after the results of 2020 (which are different than current results), so the ball is in your court to take a stance. Do you or do you not believe that noncitizens have voted to any statistically significant degree in ANY jurisdiction in the United States in any federal elections...including those of 2020?

Stay tuned. Kash Patel has recently declassified documents and shared with senators which "detail alarming allegations" about potential Chinese interference in the 2020 election. "Specifically, these include allegations of plans from the CCP to manufacture fake driver's licenses and ship them into the US for the purpose of facilitating fraudulent mail-in ballots - allegations which, while substantiated, were abruptly recalled and never discussed to the public" by Ray's FBI.
The matter is under further investigation and Senator Grassley is requesting additional information. Newsweek, June 17, 2025.

It's not too far a stretch to see how these fake driver's licenses can be given to illegals which would allow them to register to vote.