How will a Trump presidency affect you?

[EyeballKid]

SF immigrants fear deportation after Trump win

President-elect Donald Trump has promised mass deportations on undocumented immigrants, many of whom live in California. Undocumented residents, advocates, and attorneys in San Francisco are already making preparations.

sfstandard.com

I have an idea of how things are going to affect Alex here....


But other undocumented immigrants weren’t bothered by Trump’s plan for mass deportations. Some even supported it.
“I’m an immigrant, and I love Trump,” said Alex, a day laborer who has been undocumented since he came to the U.S. from Nicaragua 28 years ago.
Alex, who works as a mover for U-Haul, said he’s excited by Trump’s promise to more thoroughly vet immigrants into the U.S. The 43-year-old said he supports deportations if they are focused on undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes.
“That’s my fantasy,” Alex said.
He’s supportive of making it harder to enter the country because he believes that when undocumented immigrants commit serious crimes, it makes Americans think they’re all criminals.

I have a Trump-supporting cousin whose good friend was deported and separated from his daughter in Trump’s last term. She posted on FB that she was shocked; he was such a good guy, family man, etc—how could this happen to him? IIRC, my cousin even started a GoFundMe for the guy’s daughter.


The cognitive dissonance is just astounding.

 

[JCTarheel82]

SF immigrants fear deportation after Trump win

President-elect Donald Trump has promised mass deportations on undocumented immigrants, many of whom live in California. Undocumented residents, advocates, and attorneys in San Francisco are already making preparations.

sfstandard.com

I have an idea of how things are going to affect Alex here....


But other undocumented immigrants weren’t bothered by Trump’s plan for mass deportations. Some even supported it.
“I’m an immigrant, and I love Trump,” said Alex, a day laborer who has been undocumented since he came to the U.S. from Nicaragua 28 years ago.
Alex, who works as a mover for U-Haul, said he’s excited by Trump’s promise to more thoroughly vet immigrants into the U.S. The 43-year-old said he supports deportations if they are focused on undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes.
“That’s my fantasy,” Alex said.
He’s supportive of making it harder to enter the country because he believes that when undocumented immigrants commit serious crimes, it makes Americans think they’re all criminals.

The leopards are definitely coming for that guy's face.

 

[ChapelHillSooner]

SF immigrants fear deportation after Trump win

President-elect Donald Trump has promised mass deportations on undocumented immigrants, many of whom live in California. Undocumented residents, advocates, and attorneys in San Francisco are already making preparations.

sfstandard.com

I have an idea of how things are going to affect Alex here....


But other undocumented immigrants weren’t bothered by Trump’s plan for mass deportations. Some even supported it.
“I’m an immigrant, and I love Trump,” said Alex, a day laborer who has been undocumented since he came to the U.S. from Nicaragua 28 years ago.
Alex, who works as a mover for U-Haul, said he’s excited by Trump’s promise to more thoroughly vet immigrants into the U.S. The 43-year-old said he supports deportations if they are focused on undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes.
“That’s my fantasy,” Alex said.
He’s supportive of making it harder to enter the country because he believes that when undocumented immigrants commit serious crimes, it makes Americans think they’re all criminals.

Yet Democrats wanted to give someone like him a path to citizenship. He'll definitely never get that with Republicans.

I do, for the record, think Democrats really messed up on the immigration narrative. They acted as if border security was a racist concept which is asinine. Just terrible messaging. (They did change that messaging later but way too late.)

They should have hammered home that they also want the border secure, think the wall is an expensive and ineffective way to achieve that goal but not itself a racist idea, that there is no reason to remove current undocumented immigrants, and that once the border is more secure there should be a path to citizenship for those who have been here a long time.

Democrats up until the last year or two were essentially telling every American who wanted to secure the border that they were racist when the presented border security as a racial construct. That isn't a way to win any election. I know I had to tread lightly for years in my liberal social circle when I mentioned that I, too, support a secure border.

 

[finesse]

Yet Democrats wanted to give someone like him a path to citizenship. He'll definitely never get that with Republicans.

I do, for the record, think Democrats really messed up on the immigration narrative. They acted as if border security was a racist concept which is asinine. Just terrible messaging. (They did change that messaging later but way too late.)

They should have hammered home that they also want the border secure, think the wall is an expensive and ineffective way to achieve that goal but not itself a racist idea, that there is no reason to remove current undocumented immigrants, and that once the border is more secure there should be a path to citizenship for those who have been here a long time.

Democrats up until the last year or two were essentially telling every American who wanted to secure the border that they were racist when the presented border security as a racial construct. That isn't a way to win any election. I know I had to tread lightly for years in my liberal social circle when I mentioned that I, too, support a secure border.

I'm not sure that we've had a period when the immigration laws weren't racist. We've had limits on national origin, race and religion since we've been a country. I'm not suggesting an open border. I would like keeping political asylum generally in place, allowing people whose net worth, education or valuable skills and a job offer in freely and easily, establish a guest worker program that gives you a way to earn your way and the separation of all immigration and drug enforcement duties. Imo, it hurts the effectiveness of both. My understanding is that most trafficking comes through in ways that draw less attention than an illegal.

 

[superrific]

I'm not sure that we've had a period when the immigration laws weren't racist. We've had limits on national origin, race and religion since we've been a country. I'm not suggesting an open border. I would like keeping political asylum generally in place, allowing people whose net worth, education or valuable skills and a job offer in freely and easily, establish a guest worker program that gives you a way to earn your way and the separation of all immigration and drug enforcement duties. Imo, it hurts the effectiveness of both. My understanding is that most trafficking comes through in ways that draw less attention than an illegal.

19th century. Racist immigration laws started with Chinese in the late 19th, but it wasn't until the 1920s and the red scare that the immigration system as we know it was built, and that's when the racism really began to structure the whole system.

 

[finesse]

19th century. Racist immigration laws started with Chinese in the late 19th, but it wasn't until the 1920s and the red scare that the immigration system as we know it was built, and that's when the racism really began to structure the whole system.

Thanks. Thought the essentially open border policy had ended quite a bit earlier.

 

[bridgetender]

I am surrounded by republican friends and family, whom I love and enjoy. The few that I have discussed the election results with, I have told that I hope I am wrong. Nothing would make me happier than me being wrong and the country succeeding without him destroying it. Unfortunately, nothing in his history indicates that will happen. It is far more likely that we'll be Hungary in 3 years.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

I am surrounded by republican friends and family, whom I love and enjoy. The few that I have discussed the election results with, I have told that I hope I am wrong. Nothing would make me happier than me being wrong and the country succeeding without him destroying it. Unfortunately, nothing in his history indicates that will happen. It is far more likely that we'll be Hungary in 3 years.

It’s far more likely we’ll be Hungary than it is that we’ll continue to succeed? You do realize Trump has already been the president once, right?

 

[finesse]

It’s far more likely we’ll be Hungary than it is that we’ll continue to succeed? You do realize Trump has already been the president once, right?

Yes and his first term wasn't that great. Now we are going to repeat it with no adults in the room. Realizing it is the heart of the problem.

 

[EyeballKid]

It’s far more likely we’ll be Hungary than it is that we’ll continue to succeed? You do realize Trump has already been the president once, right?

Yep. I recall how he tried to overturn a democratic election that he lost—and how, to this day, he repeats lies about election fraud and laments that he ceded power by vacating the White House after the election.

 

[bridgetender]

It’s far more likely we’ll be Hungary than it is that we’ll continue to succeed? You do realize Trump has already been the president once, right?

Yes, that's why I am concerned. I am further concerned that your party's main objective is to root out people whose loyalty is to the constitution over him.

Again, nothing would make me happier than being dead wrong about all of these fears and trepidations, but the foundation for them have been exposed by him and his sycophants. Lord help us about the things that are being discussed in secrecy.

 

[farce©]

It’s far more likely we’ll be Hungary than it is that we’ll continue to succeed? You do realize Trump has already been the president once, right?

Perhaps you remember how that ended. Trump tried to overturn a fair election. Why should we trust him after watching how that ended, especially now that the Supreme Court has given him immunity for any Presidential action? His new administration will not have any institutional Republican voices, only loyalty to Trump matters. They will shred the Constitution. The only thing that propped up the guardrails in his first administration were the people working in the White House who are telling us now he cannot be trusted. Looking back at 2017-21 as a basis for what’s to expect this time is a huge mistake.

 

[JCTarheel82]

Perhaps you remember how that ended. Trump tried to overturn a fair election. Why should we trust him after watching how that ended, especially now that the Supreme Court has given him immunity for any Presidential action? His new administration will not have any institutional Republican voices, only loyalty to Trump matters. They will shred the Constitution. The only thing that propped up the guardrails in his first administration were the people working in the White House who are telling us now he cannot be trusted. Looking back at 2017-21 as a basis for what’s to expect this time is a huge mistake.

+1

Pubs have been carefully planning and preparing for this moment for four years and they're chomping at the bit to execute their extreme agenda without restraint. It's going to get ugly fast.

 

[CFordUNC]

+1

Pubs have been carefully planning and preparing for this moment for four years and they're chomping at the bit to execute their extreme agenda without restraint. It's going to get ugly fast.

Let ‘em cook. It’s the only way for the electorate to understand the true meaning of “elections have consequences.” I hope the GOP gets it all out of their system. Judging by the way that many of these Trump voters on this board write and reason and apply logic, they ain’t the ones who are going to be getting the tax cuts- they’ll be among the first to get, right uh, grabbed by the pus….er, billfold.

 

[DantesHair]

It’s far more likely we’ll be Hungary than it is that we’ll continue to succeed? You do realize Trump has already been the president once, right?

Well, the last time he was president I was shut in to my house for the last 9 months of his presidency. Inflation was about to shoot through the roof due to his failed economic policies, and there were riots in the street due to his divisiveness. Maybe an autocratic version of Hungary is a step up from the last Trump presidency?

 

[CFordUNC]

Well, the last time he was president I was shut in to my house for the last 9 months of his presidency. Inflation was about to shoot through the roof due to his failed economic policies, and there were riots in the street due to his divisiveness. Maybe an autocratic version of Hungary is a step up from the last Trump presidency?

Hey, who knows, maybe this time instead of using the American military to shoot rubber bullets at peacefully protesting American citizens in Washington DC, he’ll authorize the use of *real* live bullets!

I always get the biggest kick out of people who act like the first Trump presidency was some glorious time in our country. January 2017-March 2020 was essentially the same as 2021-2024. Then, from March 2020 onward, Trump tanked the economy, shut down the country (even kept crowds out of college football stadiums in fall 2020- the audacity!), paid out tons of stimulus that started the skyrocketing inflation we all experienced, and told us all to shove bleach up our asses.

 

[JCTarheel82]

Let ‘em cook. It’s the only way for the electorate to understand the true meaning of “elections have consequences.” I hope the GOP gets it all out of their system. Judging by the way that many of these Trump voters on this board write and reason and apply logic, they ain’t the ones who are going to be getting the tax cuts- they’ll be among the first to get, right uh, grabbed by the pus….er, billfold.

I'm with you, brother. I do hate it for the less fortunate who repudiated Trump at the ballot box but Americans need to experience the phenomenon that is FAFO in order to hopefully make more prudent electoral decisions in the future.

 

[ICFree]

It’s far more likely we’ll be Hungary than it is that we’ll continue to succeed? You do realize Trump has already been the president once, right?

Kind of how I felt hearing how bad we needed him back to make this country the bestest greatest ever. He made America so great last time that it only took sleepy, slobbery, doddering old don't know where he is Joe and the do nothing dems not even a year to ruin it and make it the worst shithole ever.

 

[DantesHair]

Hey, who knows, maybe this time instead of using the American military to shoot rubber bullets at peacefully protesting American citizens in Washington DC, he’ll authorize the use of *real* live bullets!

I always get the biggest kick out of people who act like the first Trump presidency was some glorious time in our country. January 2017-March 2020 was essentially the same as 2021-2024. Then, from March 2020 onward, Trump tanked the economy, shut down the country (even kept crowds out of college football stadiums in fall 2020- the audacity!), paid out tons of stimulus that started the skyrocketing inflation we all experienced, and told us all to shove bleach up our asses.

It’s unreal how they have all forgotten the worst time to be an American since…..the dust bowl? I don’t even know. All I remember is thinking 2020 would be the worst year that I ever lived through, but I’m afraid that a repeat is back on the menu.

 

[CFordUNC]

It’s unreal how they have all forgotten the worst time to be an American since…..the dust bowl? I don’t even know. All I remember is thinking 2020 would be the worst year that I ever lived through, but I’m afraid that a repeat is back on the menu.

The good news is that, like Barack Obama before him, the outgoing Democratic administration is leaving him an economy that is the best in the world and probably the best in the history of our country, so as long as nobody releases another global pandemic into the wild, we should at least be mostly fine until or unless the tariffs and the deportations actually happen (both of which I’m still, for the time being, partially convinced they are just the 2024 version of “make Mexico pay for the wall”).