Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Heelsandeers said:
The why isn’t important in this discussion. I think HD handled the situation the correct way

Idk how much Dixon was expected to play coming into the season but it wasn’t starter mins



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Dixon was playing 15 mpg at the start of ACC play through the Stanford game

He wasn’t logging major mins until moving into the starting line up. He saw big mins before that only vs Kentucky, Gtown, Ohio St, and Upstate

In any case, he’s a 4-star freshman thrust into playing one of the toughest positions in college basketball. Of course he is going to be inconsistent, struggle, improve

Yes it is reasonable to expect a team showing signs of improvement to continue to do so
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I agree, Dixon wasn’t expected to play starter minutes going into the season, but there were significant concerns about Evans running the show. So, one might have predicted it. But I don’t see the importance in that. As we both agree, the misevaluation by the staff on Evans was very bad.

Regarding the team’s performance, during their stretch from tOSU - Stanford (full roster) their T-Rank was 29th, which is not that lower performing compared to the team we saw right before CWilson’s injury.

This team, at full strength, just never was a serious contender for the final weekend, let alone any kind of hardware.
 
LeoBloom said:
The Dean Smith way spanned from when freshmen weren’t eligible, from when only the conference tournament winner made the NCAA tournament, to when players could leave early; from no shot clock to shot clocks and a three point line; from basically regional only tv deals to billion dollar deals with CBS. It can continue. And, imo, it can continue with a coach who didn’t play for UNC but does hold the same values.
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This interests me. Who in your opinion holds the same values? Who holds those values that is available? Who who holds those values would come here?
 
rodoheel said:
Also somewhat presumptuous to look at a small sample size of games in the middle of the season and think it means we were destined for contention if Caleb didn’t get hurt.
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And presumptuous to assume it wouldn’t have. Carolina teams, including UNC 22, have a track record of turning it up a notch in February and March.

We will never know what this team could have accomplished.
 
stankeylegjones said:
This team, at full strength, just never was a serious contender for the final weekend, let alone any kind of hardware.
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That is an unverifiable opinion. There is no way to prove that true or correct.

But we did beat Duke, the best team in the country. It was certainly possible that we could have strung together four wins in March - a lot more possible than 22.
 
rodoheel said:
Where would this team rank right now, I wonder?

PG: Elliott Cadeau
SG: Ian Jackson
SF: Cade Tyson/Tyler Nickel
PF: Ven Allen Lubin
C: Jalen Washington/James Okonkwo

It may not really work for some of the same reasons some similar combinations didn't really work here. But honestly, assuming you could find some guard depth somewhere (too bad D'Marco Dunn is out of eligibility), that team is probably top 20 if they all play the way they're playing for their current teams. Most of those guys are playing significant roles for NCAAT teams, or in Tyson's case starring for a more mediocre team. (Okonkwo's team sucks, though.) I wonder how many other programs could currently make that sort of team out of guys who have transferred away from their program?
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Not as good as the current team when healthy.
 
rodoheel said:
This is the thing for me. Some people seem to assume that having a coach who isn't a preexisting part of the "family" means we're giving up everything we stand for. I don't see why it has to be that way.
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It's not just the coach it's the price of doing business.
 
Calheel said:
That is an unverifiable opinion. There is no way to prove that true or correct.

But we did beat Duke, the best team in the country. It was certainly possible that we could have strung together four wins in March - a lot more possible than 22.
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Also won at UVA.
 
donbosco said:
This interests me. Who in your opinion holds the same values? Who holds those values that is available? Who who holds those values would come here?
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I don’t know. So don’t hire me as the AD. Ha!!

Seriously though, I’m not sure. But I do believe that what Dean represented wasn’t just absorbed by UNC people.
 
LeoBloom said:
I don’t know. So don’t hire me as the AD. Ha!!

Seriously though, I’m not sure. But I do believe that what Dean represented wasn’t just absorbed by UNC people.
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I'd love to have a list of the coaches that have worked the Basketball School over recent years. That would be a solid recommendation to me.
 
LeoBloom said:
I don’t know. So don’t hire me as the AD. Ha!!

Seriously though, I’m not sure. But I do believe that what Dean represented wasn’t just absorbed by UNC people.
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I'm not sure a Dean Smith type can successfully function in the current climate.
 
That said, I have no one in mind that fits that bill, i.e., Carolina Way. Coach Davis may very well be the end of the line...at least until Marcus Paige comes along.
 
Bigs23 said:
I'm not sure a Dean Smith type can successfully function in the current climate.
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Pretty sobering thought. Makes me ponder just turning to pro ball for the game. I certainly feel more contempt for the college coaches that I see than I do admiration.

Ryan Odom is about the only one I've taken note of lately that seems above board. I'm sure there must be others.
 
LeoBloom said:
The Dean Smith way spanned from when freshmen weren’t eligible, from when only the conference tournament winner made the NCAA tournament, to when players could leave early; from no shot clock to shot clocks and a three point line; from basically regional only tv deals to billion dollar deals with CBS. It can continue. And, imo, it can continue with a coach who didn’t play for UNC but does hold the same values.
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That's kind of where I was going with the question. The Carolina Way still works as a way of doing things, it just needs to adapt to the current landscape.

I see it with companies when they search for new CEOs. You need to understand your institutional values first and then find the leadership that best fits those values. Doesn't have to be an internal guy (there are times when change is good) but it does need to be a leader that the rank and file will respect, follow and support.

One disheartening facet of the Roy Williams era is how our influence in basketball has waned. Coach Smith had former players all over the pro and college ranks in coaching and front office positions. Feels like we are at a low water mark in that regards. That certainly didn't help our keep it in the family philosophy.
 
Calheel said:
That is an unverifiable opinion. There is no way to prove that true or correct.

But we did beat Duke, the best team in the country. It was certainly possible that we could have strung together four wins in March - a lot more possible than 22.
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No, it’s not unverifiable. They were never playing at the level of the top teams. Hence they weren’t demonstrating that they were a contender.

What’s unverifiable is what might have happened if CWilson didn’t get injured.

One has happened one hasn’t.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
That seemed like a pretty close game - UNC only lost to A&M by 3 points, 43 to 40. If memory serves, I believe that UNC is the only men's college basketball program that has been to at least one Final Four in every full decade of the NCAA Tournament's existence. And thanks to our appearance in 2022 that record will continue into the next decade. That's an impressive record to hold.
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Not just the Final Four in each full decade - the Title Game.
 
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