Hubert Davis Catch-all

[Bigs23]

I think he's going to get next season. But we simply have to see a top 10, nationally contending-type team next season. Otherwise I don't understand how anyone can have confidence that we're going to get back to being that type of team consistently.

I'm okay with this approach. I'd say top 3 seed and top 3 ACC finish.

But, a top 15 team with a top 4 seed and a 4th place ACC finish makes it another tough call.

I disagree with those who say Hubert is a terrible coach, but now that UNC is fully engaged in the NIL system elite needs to be the bar.

The hard part is finding that guy.

 

[Bigs23]

I agree. I just don't see next season being any better than the current one unless they get some elite players from the portal.

It's the portal era. Top teams can built from scratch.

 

[Bigs23]

And I am not sure what is available in the portal-even if we are an attractive spot still. I think we need at least 1 Euro guy
I mean its true for all teams. If a guy is really elite he is going League-not portal

Sometime the portal pays more. Look at Sarr.

 

[mpaer]

Sometime the portal pays more. Look at Sarr.

Dook has it going...thats for sure

 

[heelinhell]

I'm okay with this approach. I'd say top 3 seed and top 3 ACC finish.

But, a top 15 team with a top 4 seed and a 4th place ACC finish makes it another tough call.

I disagree with those who say Hubert is a terrible coach, but now that UNC is fully engaged in the NIL system elite needs to be the bar.

The hard part is finding that guy.

Yes, finding that guy would be the challenge

29-10 and playing for the national championship
20-13
29-8 sweet 16
23-14 1st round NCAAT
24-8 #6 seed in the NCAAT

Hopefully, if we find that guy we will let him know that we expect a hell of a lot more than that if we give him a 5yr contract

 

[rodoheel]

Yes, finding that guy would be the challenge

29-10 and playing for the national championship
20-13
29-8 sweet 16
23-14 1st round NCAAT
24-8 #6 seed in the NCAAT

Hopefully, if we find that guy we will let him know that we expect a hell of a lot more than that if we give him a 5yr contract

8 seed, missed tourney, 1 seed, 11 seed, 6 seed. It's not going to be news to anyone who's older than 30 that UNC expects better results than getting 1 top-5 seed every 5 years and frequently being on the bubble.

 

[Bigs23]

Yes, finding that guy would be the challenge

29-10 and playing for the national championship
20-13
29-8 sweet 16
23-14 1st round NCAAT
24-8 #6 seed in the NCAAT

Hopefully, if we find that guy we will let him know that we expect a hell of a lot more than that if we give him a 5yr contract

He would need to do 10% better.

 

[Bigs23]

There's one UNC alum who can catapult UNC to the dook level.

He seems unwilling to do so thus far.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Yes, finding that guy would be the challenge

29-10 and playing for the national championship
20-13
29-8 sweet 16
23-14 1st round NCAAT
24-8 #6 seed in the NCAAT

Hopefully, if we find that guy we will let him know that we expect a hell of a lot more than that if we give him a 5yr contract

One great run at the end of a season that was mediocre until then. They were even on the bubble in February. Followed by an awful season where they didn't make the tournament after being a preseason favorite to win it all. Then a good season, his best overall, but then a loss in the Sweet 16 to a lower seed. Followed by a bad season where they were one if the last ones in the tournament and a first round loss. And now another mediocre to good season. Inconsistent from season to season and inconsistent play during the majority of his tenure as the coach.

 

[Batt Boy]

Yes, finding that guy would be the challenge

29-10 and playing for the national championship
20-13
29-8 sweet 16
23-14 1st round NCAAT
24-8 #6 seed in the NCAAT

Hopefully, if we find that guy we will let him know that we expect a hell of a lot more than that if we give him a 5yr contract

The past 3 years we are 8-6 in the post season (.571)

The dookies are 17-4 (.811)

The numbers are very likely to get even worse.

HD is in his fifth year.

 

[Bigs23]

The past 3 years we are 8-6 in the post season (.571)

The dookies are 17-4 (.811)

The numbers are very likely to get even worse.

HD is in his fifth year.

Including the ACCT definitely skews things. Not sure those results are important.

dook is on an almost unprecedented roll (UCLA days?) with take talent acquisition. It's probably not the best measuring stick right now.

 

[StrangePackage]

Including the ACCT definitely skews things. Not sure those results are important.

dook is on an almost unprecedented role (UCLA days?) with take talent acquisition. It's probably not the best measuring stick right now.

I'm sorry, are you saying that the best measurement for our success is not compared to the historical rival who has been at the apex of the college basketball world during the same time as UNC?

I kind of feel like it is absolutely the appropriate measurement for our relative success. During the 2010s I recall dook being on an unprecedented talent acquisition level, and we were still on virtually the same level.

 

[Bigs23]

I'm sorry, are you saying that the best measurement for our success is not compared to the historical rival who has been at the apex of the college basketball world during the same time as UNC?

I kind of feel like it is absolutely the appropriate measurement for our relative success. During the 2010s I recall dook being on an unprecedented talent acquisition level, and we were still on virtually the same level.

That's exactly what I'm saying in the short term.

UNC can be successful independently of what dook does.

 

[OldWHEEL]

There's one UNC alum who can catapult UNC to the dook level.

He seems unwilling to do so thus far.

I don’t blame him. He came to Carolina because of one great coach. He fell in love with it, and it him. I understand the reluctance to buy a kid who wants Carolina because it won him through a bidding war.

I guess it shows how much I hate this new system. I think kids should be paid. But I believe a 3-4 year contract for a salary isn’t unfair

 

[rodoheel]

I don’t blame him. He came to Carolina because of one great coach. He fell in love with it, and it him. I understand the reluctance to buy a kid who wants Carolina because it won him through a bidding war.

I guess it shows how much I hate this new system. I think kids should be paid. But I believe a 3-4 year contract for a salary isn’t unfair

You can't have a "salary" without the schools admitting they're employees. The schools' reluctance to acknowledge the players as employees is the main impediment to getting a reasonable system in place.

 

[Willy]

For those who consider dook a measuring stick - there are probably only 2-3 coaches that can realistically get us to that level. If we are relatively certain - through back door channels - that none are realistic options, what do you do?

 

[superrific]

I'm sorry, are you saying that the best measurement for our success is not compared to the historical rival who has been at the apex of the college basketball world during the same time as UNC?

I kind of feel like it is absolutely the appropriate measurement for our relative success. During the 2010s I recall dook being on an unprecedented talent acquisition level, and we were still on virtually the same level.

It is objectively irrational to be making decisions about UNC based on what Duke is doing. Are you saying that if Duke was mediocre it would be OK for us to be mediocre? That if Duke is on top of the world we should burn through every coach possible to match them?

UNC needs to do what will maximize the success of UNC. Duke has nothing to do with it, unless there is some specific interaction effect that might be inhibiting.

 

[Peppers49]

I agree. I just don't see next season being any better than the current one unless they get some elite players from the portal.

Yeah the people that still want Hubert back and also expect to be a contender next season are placing a lot of faith in the coaching staff and Jim Tanner.

This past offseason we had by all accounts at least a top 5-10 level NIL budget for the transfer portal. Veesaar was a slam dunk get, but ourside of him it was a mixed bag haul, at best. Looking ahead we’re going to have to replace Wilson, Trimble, and most likely Veesaar. To truly be a top 10 threat I think we’d need one or both of Adams and Mingo to be solid contributors right away, improvement from some of the returning players like Dixon, Stevenson, and Powell, and we also probably need 2 or 3 high level starters from the portal.

Getting the stars to align with all of those things feels like a very tall task right now. I think the NCAAT results could go a long way with the transfer portal part though. If we somehow make a run to say the E8 and knock off a few big names along the way, maybe that gives the staff enough positive momentum to land some elite portal targets.

 

[mpaer]

To truly be a top 10 threat I think we’d need one or both of Adams and Mingo to be solid contributors right away, improvement from some of the returning players like Dixon, Stevenson, and Powell, and we also probably need 2 or 3 high level starters from the portal.

That is a tough "Do "

 

[Bigs23]

I don’t blame him. He came to Carolina because of one great coach. He fell in love with it, and it him. I understand the reluctance to buy a kid who wants Carolina because it won him through a bidding war.

I guess it shows how much I hate this new system. I think kids should be paid. But I believe a 3-4 year contract for a salary isn’t unfair

If you were a billionaire would you contribute?