Hubert Davis Catch-all

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superrific said:
See, this is the problem with you. You can't keep a coherent idea in your head for even five minutes. According to you, the problem was that he took the foot of the gas. Now you're saying the problem was too much gas, that he didn't rest the players. Which is it, dude?
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He should have gave them a breather, then put them back in and keep it going. Should have called a time out during the run. Did so many things wrong in the end. Listen to everyone else. Former players are saying the same thing. People in the media are saying the same thing. It's just not me. There is no way anyone can defend Hubert with this.
 
rebeltarheel0408 said:
Posted it on the game thread but posting it here too (from Adam Lucas):

The Tar Heels made some bad history with the loss. It's the first time in school history the program has lost in back to back seasons in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. It's the first time the Tar Heels have ended a season 0-3 with losses in the regular season finale, the first game in the ACC Tournament, and the first game in the NCAA Tournament. And it's just the third time ever Carolina has lost to a double-digit seed in the NCAA Tournament. Losing three of the last four NCAA Tournament games is the worst NCAA Tournament stretch since a span from 1977-80 that also included a loss in the national title game.
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See, this again is indicative of the overall mental level of some of the commentators.

Losing to a double digit seed is meaningless. The difference between a 9 seed and an 11 seed is basically nothing. If you think the team shouldn't have lost this game, fine, but the double digit seed has nothing to do wiht it.

Ending the season 0-3 is also just randomness.

Roy missed the tournament and lost in the first round the next year. That's even worse! Of course there was no tournament that year so it's not official but the team had a losing record and thus no chance at all to make the tournament had there been one. There have also been years when the team missed the tourney twice in a row (not for a long time, but it's happened), which is worse still.

Bottom line: it's about the results. If you don't think the results are good enough and you have no confidence that they will get better, then you're saying fire the coach. That's defensible. All these random stupid stats are not helpful at all
 
superrific said:
See, this again is indicative of the overall mental level of some of the commentators.

Losing to a double digit seed is meaningless. The difference between a 9 seed and an 11 seed is basically nothing. If you think the team shouldn't have lost this game, fine, but the double digit seed has nothing to do wiht it.

Ending the season 0-3 is also just randomness.

Roy missed the tournament and lost in the first round the next year. That's even worse! Of course there was no tournament that year so it's not official but the team had a losing record and thus no chance at all to make the tournament had there been one. There have also been years when the team missed the tourney twice in a row (not for a long time, but it's happened), which is worse still.

Bottom line: it's about the results. If you don't think the results are good enough and you have no confidence that they will get better, then you're saying fire the coach. That's defensible. All these random stupid stats are not helpful at all
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Super I don't entirely disagree with your larger point but this is not the time for this sort of pedantic sniping.

Also, it is bizarre that you would bring up Roy's 2019-21 performance, which was so bad that it convinced him he should no longer be UNC's coach. That's the whole point - missing the tourney and losing in the first round in back to back years, at UNC, generally means something is very wrong.
 
Bigs23 said:
When a team blows a 19 point lead in the last 12 minutes or so there are going to be a lot of things that go wrong.

The Heels needed to just one of those wrong things right and they win. Plenty of blame to go around but the buck stops with the HC.
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What I can't figure out is why the coach doesn't get credit for building the 19 point lead in the first place. It's idiotic to say, "the first 30 minutes showed we were a much better team and then HD blew it after." We were a better team as long as VCU wasn't making all those threes. We weren't when they were.

At the end of the day, the team lost a game to a team that was probably inferior overall. When it happens multiple times, coaches usually get fired. It doesn't mean it was definitely the coach's fault. It means that the program needs a change.
 
superrific said:
What I can't figure out is why the coach doesn't get credit for building the 19 point lead in the first place. It's idiotic to say, "the first 30 minutes showed we were a much better team and then HD blew it after." We were a better team as long as VCU wasn't making all those threes. We weren't when they were.

At the end of the day, the team lost a game to a team that was probably inferior overall. When it happens multiple times, coaches usually get fired. It doesn't mean it was definitely the coach's fault. It means that the program needs a change.
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For someone that claims to be so smart you sure do make it all seem a lot simpler than it is.
 
rodoheel said:
Super I don't entirely disagree with your larger point but this is not the time for this sort of pedantic sniping.

Also, it is bizarre that you would bring up Roy's 2019-21 performance, which was so bad that it convinced him he should no longer be UNC's coach. That's the whole point - missing the tourney and losing in the first round in back to back years, at UNC, generally means something is very wrong.
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It's not bizarre. I'm just showing that "first time" claims are usually bogus. It's no different than when a player is lauded for being the first to have X points, Y rebounds, Z assists, Z' steals and so on. That's relatively meaningless.

It's very simple, really: was the team's performance all year satisfactory. none of this other shit should make a difference, because it's all silly.
 
It's telling that with very few exceptions all of Hubert's defenders (including me) have changed their tune and now think his time at UNC is drawing to a close, either this year or certainly next year. And that he needs to go, as we've just had too many losses like this one for him to bounce back from. If dook (god forbid) wins a title or even just makes the Final Four this year it's only going to increase the pressure on UNC to do something about Davis. And I don't know how he's going to defend himself at this point, as there have simply been too many losses like this one during his time here.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
The bottom line is Hubert is not good enough to help make Carolina an elite program again.
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See? That's all you've got to say. That's all there is. If you believe that, then you should advocate for him to be fired. If enough people think that, and especially enough of the right people, then he should be fired. End of story. All this other stupid crap about timeouts or FTs or back to back first round exits blah blah blah makes no difference.

In my mind, the consistent failure of late Roy and HD has been shooting. It is a mystery to me why we never seem to have enough. We bring in shooters, and they stop being able to shoot. We bring in too many non-shooters, and not enough get better. This was my concern with Stevenson; he only made the lack of shooting issue more acute. I don't know why exactly we never have enough shooting, but that's basically the problem over the past several years.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
It's telling that with very few exceptions all of Hubert's defenders (including me) have changed their tune and now think his time at UNC is drawing to a close, either this year or certainly next year. And that he needs to go, as we've just had too many losses like this one for him to bounce back from. If dook (god forbid) wins a title or even just makes the Final Four this year it's only going to increase the pressure on UNC to do something about Davis. And I don't know how he's going to defend himself at this point, as there have simply been too many losses like this one during his time here.
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If people think he won't be the coach in two years, then he shouldn't be the coach next year. There's no virtue in letting the team be bad again.

I really have to push back on "losses like this one." Don't you really just mean losses? There are too many losses. No loss is good. People complain that he gets blown out too much. People complain that he loses leads too much. People complain that they lose close games. Really the problem is just losing.
 
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