Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Bigs23 said:
It's not that easy to stop a guy like Hill once he gets it going.

They were doing more than missing bad 3's. It all went bad.
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It would have been much easier to stop him if we had done anything to try to force the ball out of his hands, rather than just meekly switching tired bigs onto him over and over.

Hill is clearly a very good player but his career high coming into today was 24, and he put 34 on us. Clearly we did something wrong.
 
superrific said:
Well, I find it especially dispiriting and I do not think I'm the only one. I think a lot of people get tired of maximum negativity all the time.
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Desperate times call for maximum negativity and change. Otherwise, we are a whisker away from being the next Indiana or UCLA. Then it's just a matter of years before NC State level - always looking back to the glory days and remembering our once "rich basketball history."

On a positive note, our poor student seating problem of the past 40 years will resolve itself. Those old bluehairs in lower bowl only go for social aspect. They go to see and be seen. If we are no longer on TV all the time, and rarely ranked, they won't show.
 
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superrific said:
But that's generally not true. Caleb Love did not start shooting better at U of A than he did here. He was basically the same player.
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Caleb's efg%, ts%, TO rate, and offensive rating were all significantly better in his two seasons at Arizona than they were in any season at UNC. He was a similar player, sure, but a clearly better version of that player.
 
Zoo_View said:
NBA games are 48 minutes.

NBA time-outs are not as long as NCAA Tourney time-outs.

Wemby battles grown-ass men; he’s 22. 7-foot, 4-inch guys aren’t yet grown-ass men. They’re skinny. I’ve seen Wemby listed at 235…..he’s more like Chuck Nevitt’s weight while at ncsulol.
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That’s not true about NBA timeouts vs. college. NBA timeouts are longer, and they get more of them. Plus, they have breaks between quarters.

In college each team gets one 60-second timeout and three 30-second timeouts. There are eight official timeouts. In the NBA, each team gets seven 75-second timeouts. There are eight official timeouts and breaks between quarters.

As for playing time, tonight Trimble played approximately 38 minutes not including overtime and 43 including overtime. Veesaar played approximately 37 not including overtime and 42 including overtime. In the NBA, Tyrese Maxey leads the league in mpg at 38.3 mpg. The number of minutes Trimble played before overtime in tonight’s game was greater than what ranks as #2 in the NBA in mpg (37.2 mpg). The number of minutes Veesaar played before overtime tonight was greater than what ranks as #3 in the NBA in mpg (36.5). Including overtime, Trimble and Veesaar each played more minutes than the highest NBA mpg average by nearly 5 and 4 minutes, respectively.
 
superrific said:
But that's generally not true. Caleb Love did not start shooting better at U of A than he did here. He was basically the same player. Elliot Cadeau had a slightly higher 3 point % this year than last but not significantly and he was basically the same guy. The problem wasn't the offense. It's the guys can't shoot very well.

Jarin is a poor shooter. Dexter Strickland was a poor shooter. In neither case was it the offense's fault. They just aren't good. It's actually an entirely fair criticism to say that inattention to shooting ability has been a major roster-building failure. I don't think that was entirely it (we did try to get good shooters, and both Evans and Luka were good shooters last year), but it's been an issue.
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Spacing, ball rotation, and lane penetration all contribute to getting good looks for good shooters. Those are coaching issues.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Spacing, ball rotation, and lane penetration all contribute to getting good looks for good shooters. Those are coaching issues.
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Jarin shot better this year than he did at Bama. The problem is that he's just not a good shooter. The other problem is that he's not a good rebounder. Another problem is that he's not much of a playmaker.
 
Icky Mettle said:
As for playing time, tonight Trimble played approximately 38 minutes not including overtime and 43 including overtime. Veesaar played approximately 37 not including overtime and 42 including overtime.
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In so many ways the team's struggles really came down to getting nothing from Evans. People in the preseason said that was going to be the team's downfall. I did not. I thought Luka would provide playmaking and shooting, and that Evans could be solid as a PG who couldn't be helped off. I was wrong, unfortunately.

Trimble wouldn't have been playing that much if we had a bench guard. We wouldn't be looking to Trimble -- a generally weak offensive player in the half court -- in crunch time. We wouldn't be sending him to the line in late game situations.
 
rodoheel said:
It would have been much easier to stop him if we had done anything to try to force the ball out of his hands, rather than just meekly switching tired bigs onto him over and over.

Hill is clearly a very good player but his career high coming into today was 24, and he put 34 on us. Clearly we did something wrong.
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Guys get hot. Who was going to slow him down? Trying to force the ball out of his hands is not that easy.

I feel like the offensive collapse. was a much bigger issue than Hill getting hot.

Either way a horrific lose.
 
superrific said:
Jarin shot better this year than he did at Bama. The problem is that he's just not a good shooter. The other problem is that he's not a good rebounder. Another problem is that he's not much of a playmaker.
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One major problem with Jarin is that he’s just a step slow. He’s like the light in my son’s bedroom closet. It doesn’t come on instantaneously with the flip of the switch. You have to wait a second.
 
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rodoheel said:
It would have been much easier to stop him if we had done anything to try to force the ball out of his hands, rather than just meekly switching tired bigs onto him over and over.
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The problem is that typically the way to force the ball out of a player's hands is to run a big man at him and then have the big man recover.

If the bigs are tired, then "getting the ball out of his hands" isn't going to work. It probably would have been better to be less tired. There are a few ways that could have been avoided.
 
I think a big problem is that the team needs Derek Dixon to do too much, and he isn't that good, not yet. When he shoots well, we look good, but when he doesn't we struggle.

And the reason they need him to do too much is too many poor offensive players. Jarin is a poor shooter and doesn't get his shot. Trimble can't shoot either. We don't want Luka handling the ball too much. So Dixon gets too much responsibility -- more than he should at this point in his career.
 
Bigs23 said:
Which ones did they lose?
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What does it matter? They've been fortunate enough that many of those games were at home and they managed to squeak out a win based strictly on being in comfortable surroundings. Over and over again this team has jumped out to leads, gone unfathomably long stretches without being able to stop the other team's momentum with either timely defense or offensive execution, and Hubert shows he is utterly incapable of figuring it out.

And has he EVER ONCE taken the blame for it? Has he ever said, "I need to be better." Roy certainly did. Dean certainly did. With Hubert, you get this interaction with a reporter after the game:

Did you sense that your team got a little tired toward the end of the game?

Hubert Davis: “I did not. I didn’t.”

Why did you choose to go to a six-man rotation in the second half?

“Because that was my decision.”

Generally, what do you think went wrong and why couldn’t UNC score in the final five minutes?

“Well, to go back to what Seth said, just because you miss a shot doesn’t mean something’s wrong. We had open looks. We had shots at the basket. We had executed plays. And we miss eight free throws. Sometimes the ball doesn’t go in.

That's a coach in denial. And he shouldn't be coaching this team if he's incapable of doing even a small bit of self-reflection.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
What does it matter? They've been fortunate enough that many of those games were at home and they managed to squeak out a win based strictly on being in comfortable surroundings. Over and over again this team has jumped out to leads, gone unfathomably long stretches without being able to stop the other team's momentum with either timely defense or offensive execution, and Hubert shows he is utterly incapable of figuring it out.

And has he EVER ONCE taken the blame for it? Has he ever said, "I need to be better." Roy certainly did. Dean certainly did. With Hubert, you get this interaction with a reporter after the game:

Did you sense that your team got a little tired toward the end of the game?

Hubert Davis: “I did not. I didn’t.”

Why did you choose to go to a six-man rotation in the second half?

“Because that was my decision.”

Generally, what do you think went wrong and why couldn’t UNC score in the final five minutes?

“Well, to go back to what Seth said, just because you miss a shot doesn’t mean something’s wrong. We had open looks. We had shots at the basket. We had executed plays. And we miss eight free throws. Sometimes the ball doesn’t go in.

That's a coach in denial. And he shouldn't be coaching this team if he's incapable of doing even a small bit of self-reflection.
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a coach capable of self-reflection and willing to learn and grow would have made some changes to his staff, at the very least, by now.
 
The University of North Carolina deserves a better basketball team than the 2026 version. The University of North Carolina deserves a better basketball program than it has put on the court for the past 5 seasons. The University of North Carolina has dedic a ted ample resources to basketball to be successful over the past 5 seasons and has not found any real measurable success at all outside of a 5 game run in 2022.

The above, to me, seem to be fairly indisputable facts that most observers would agree on. If those are the facts, then the coaching staff (especially the Head Coach) are not up to the job.
 
Centerpiece said:
Forgot about that. You are correct. Totally bad move at the outset.
He’s had his 5 years. Time to move on.
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Fwiw, there was some miscommunication there. Before Roy retired, he was considering retiring and plans were in the works unofficially. When Roy decided to retire, Robinson thought he should have at least been given a shot at the job. It ended up with some hurt feelings. I don't know more than that but I'm not sure that the way things happened offered Hubert the option of retaining him.
 
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