Hubert Davis Catch-all

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superrific said:
I admit when I'm wrong more than anyone else here. But anyway, the sample size you are working with is incredibly small.

If we didn't pay much for him, then it doesn't really hurt except for taking up a roster spot. But he's averaging 2.4 defensive rebounds in 24 mpg. On a team that has been struggling to rebound, that's quite bad. And he's shooting 29.4% from 3 point range, after shooting 31.7 and 30.7 for Bama. That does not profile as a good stretch 4, no matter what a few dozen minutes of PT might indicate.

Again, the roster construction issues are basically three-fold, two of which are highly related: no consistent contributions from guards, bad shooting, and no depth in the post. Jarin hurts on shooting and doesn't really help elsewhere. The reason I point him out is that he's pretty much the same guy he was for the last two years. We should have been expecting this type of performance from him.

Evans and Bogo have been poor, but I wouldn't say getting them was necessarily a bad idea. Sometimes things don't work out. If you make a decision with an 80% chance of being right (that's a good percentage in real life!), it means 20% of the time that idea will be both smart and unfortunate.
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I agree about Bogo- that was a swing worth taking
I think completely fair about Stevenson, I just think he’s perfectly fine as a complement 3rd/4th big (which is what I meant by decent) The guy we passed over to get stevenson Is averaging about 10 pts a game for UGa and shooting 34% from 3, so maybe that opportunity cost is a problem.
I’d say you’re over-valuing the chance Evans hit. We were taking a small guard, raising his competition level, putting him in a pressure cooker, and asking him to do something he’s never done before- so that had a high likelihood of failing. If we had brought him in to recreate his role at Colorado State, would have loved the swing there too
 
CRHeel94 said:
We've botched enough of those lifetime Heel fan/recruits to know better that these are sure things. Jawad, Jackie and even ol Melvin Scott (in our UNC chat, one of our guys totally hates one guy per year...and at that time his guy was Melvin Scott) were squarely Doh recruits.

There's plenty of other things were Doherty was an abject disaster, but I will give him credit for recruiting those two classes under his watch. And yes, he totally missed on the 03 class missing on all his big men targets (Padgett, Butch, Kleiza, Watkins, and Taft IIRC).
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Was David Harrison that year?
 
uncjhodges said:
I agree about Bogo- that was a swing worth taking
I think completely fair about Stevenson, I just think he’s perfectly fine as a complement 3rd/4th big (which is what I meant by decent) The guy we passed over to get stevenson Is averaging about 10 pts a game for UGa and shooting 34% from 3, so maybe that opportunity cost is a problem.
I’d say you’re over-valuing the chance Evans hit. We were taking a small guard, raising his competition level, putting him in a pressure cooker, and asking him to do something he’s never done before- so that had a high likelihood of failing. If we had brought him in to recreate his role at Colorado State, would have loved the swing there too
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All right. I have nothing intelligent to add about Evans other than he shot a very high % last year. If you say that he was a bad idea from the outset, I can't really disagree. He obviously wasn't the staff's first choice.
 
LeoBloom said:
From what I've read and the few clips I've seen is that he has been a streaky shooter. He had some pretty good stretches and some awful stretches.
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I don't love his form, although I think it's because he keeps the ball out in front of him too much and maybe at his size that's less of a problem. Seems unlikely to be conducive to step back jumpers. I don't know if that's feature or bug.

I can't and won't try to judge by highlight. I merely posted something. I have no idea of the credibility of the site.
 
superrific said:
I don't love his form, although I think it's because he keeps the ball out in front of him too much and maybe at his size that's less of a problem. Seems unlikely to be conducive to step back jumpers. I don't know if that's feature or bug.

I can't and won't try to judge by highlight. I merely posted something. I have no idea of the credibility of the site.
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Yeah, highlights can be so misleading.

I know that his 3 point% has not been great. But a lot of factors can go into those percentages.
 
Take it for what it's worth but IC's scouting on Mingo had the following:

"Mingo doesn’t have a blazing first step or elite quickness, but he knows how to get opponents off balance, putting the defender on his hip to create shot opportunities in the paint...Out of 98 attempts at the rim in AAU play, Mingo recorded just one dunk, highlighting his overall craftiness, rather than an explosive style of play."

And on his shooting: "During the 2025 AAU season, Mingo shot 22.5% from three (9-40) and per Synergy, Mingo is at 31.7% on close to 250 attempts throughout high school and AAU over the past two years."
 
Like many I was skeptical of Evans. Expecting a guy to play up a level and a different role is a big risk

I wanted Catchings over Stevenson but I get how that decision came to be. It was probably for the best, even if Catching provides more upside

The Boga add made sense. Given the timeline Idk that there were other options. IIRC they were ready to roll with the roster as is once VAL left
 
LeoBloom said:
Take it for what it's worth but IC's scouting on Mingo had the following:

"Mingo doesn’t have a blazing first step or elite quickness, but he knows how to get opponents off balance, putting the defender on his hip to create shot opportunities in the paint...Out of 98 attempts at the rim in AAU play, Mingo recorded just one dunk, highlighting his overall craftiness, rather than an explosive style of play."
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OK, but that's not the same as being SLOOOOWW.

I have my doubts about the link I posted, and I suspect that the scouting on IC is better than nbadraftroom, but again, I have trouble believing that the #8 player in the country is slow. Maybe slow in the way TH was slow, which is to say not the quickest but quick enough.
 
I admittedly don’t know much about Mingo outside of skimming the profile pieces on IC when it was obvious he was about to commit to UNC. I do feel like it’s easier for freshmen wings/bigs to make an instant impact than it is for younger guards though. Ideally he is an important contributor next season, but don’t think you can count on him being a true first or second option as far as production.
 
superrific said:
OK, but that's not the same as being SLOOOOWW.

I have my doubts about the link I posted, and I suspect that the scouting on IC is better than nbadraftroom, but again, I have trouble believing that the #8 player in the country is slow. Maybe slow in the way TH was slow, which is to say not the quickest but quick enough.
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Agreed. That is different from being slow.
 
heelinhell said:
We've been a 3 man team all year

Cadeau shot better from the floor and had more assist/game in his Freshman and Soph years than Boga, Dixon, Evans, Young, and Powell this year. The rumor is he wanted 2 million in NIL to return for his junior year. Did we not want to pay him 2 million ?

I wonder what we paid for Boga, Dixon, Evans, Young, and Powell this year
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Personally, I would have loved to have seen Cadeau play with Wilson and Veesaar.
 
Mingo's highlights just look incredibly surprising for a top 10 player. He doesn't have burst or bounce. Didn't the scouting report article also say he only dunked once in like 70+ rim opportunities in AAU, along with shooting sub 30% from 3? It's just weird to not be fast, not be an explosive leaper, not be able to shoot well, and still be a 5 star top 10 player. I hope he works out, obviously.
 
I know nothing about Mingo, other than his high recruit ranking. With all of the downside and low expectations people are posting about, what are the positives that led to him being such a highly ranked recruit?
 
finesse said:
Heard he can't shoot from the outside either. Makes you wonder.
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I am very curious. I’ve never seen him play, but I hear he is slow, unathletic, and can’t shoot. So how is he coffered that top PG in the class? Granted, I guess Kendall Marshall was described similarly and he was a damn good college PG.
 
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HeelInTheOzarks said:
Mingo's highlights just look incredibly surprising for a top 10 player. He doesn't have burst or bounce. Didn't the scouting report article also say he only dunked once in like 70+ rim opportunities in AAU, along with shooting sub 30% from 3? It's just weird to not be fast, not be an explosive leaper, not be able to shoot well, and still be a 5 star top 10 player. I hope he works out, obviously.
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I remember back when Magic Johnson was being recruited. He was characterized as very fast for his size but not great speed and more a scorer than a shooter. We saw what a flop he turned out to be. Not implying that they are the same but sometimes everything doesn't fit into neat little categories. That, or you didn't pick the right ones to look at.
 
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