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I joined and put my name on the Bosh Wall. If I am remembering correctly, you would host a "tailgate" before each game. I appreciated very much your generosity.
Hubert Davis Catch-all
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That's me. Good times
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Back in the 80s and 90s I loved both college basketball and football. I not only watched all UNC games but on weekends would watch non-UNC basketball games as I was able (especially ACC games on the old Jefferson-Pilot/Raycom network) and enjoyed them. In the 21st Century, with the advent of one-and-done and now easy transfer/paying players my interest just keeps waning. I still watch most UNC games (but not all anymore), but I rarely care to watch any non-UNC basketball games in any conference, including most non-UNC NCAA tourney games.
And mainly it's because, as others have already said, I miss the days of being able to watch players develop over the three or four years they stay at UNC. I still remember watching Warren Martin go from a bench warmer to a significant contributor and seeing that growth over time was one of the main pleasures of the college game. I just get the sense that more and more of it today is just hired guns playing for money and not the team or school, and for bench players they no longer stay in most cases but just transfer out. And I'm well aware that paying players and allowing people like Lubin or Cadeau a chance to shine somewhere else may be more fair, but watching teams of mostly mercenaries that you know will mostly be gone after one season just isn't the same. I know I'm an old fart and that bigs may be right that the college game is as popular as ever, but I don't really care to be honest. For me personally the emotional investment in the team and players just isn't what it was, although to be fair maybe that comes with age and some cynicism about how the world works. I do still hate dook and state with a passion, though.
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Great postBack in the 80s and 90s I loved both college basketball and football. I not only watched all UNC games but on weekends would watch non-UNC basketball games as I was able (especially ACC games on the old Jefferson-Pilot/Raycom network) and enjoyed them. In the 21st Century, with the advent of one-and-done and now easy transfer/paying players my interest just keeps waning. I still watch most UNC games (but not all anymore), but I rarely care to watch any non-UNC basketball games in any conference, including most non-UNC NCAA tourney games.
And mainly it's because, as others have already said, I miss the days of being able to watch players develop over the three or four years they stay at UNC. I still remember watching Warren Martin go from a bench warmer to a significant contributor and seeing that growth over time was one of the main pleasures of the college game. I just get the sense that more and more of it today is just hired guns playing for money and not the team or school, and for bench players they no longer stay in most cases but just transfer out. And I'm well aware that paying players and allowing people like Lubin or Cadeau a chance to shine somewhere else may be more fair, but watching teams of mostly mercenaries that you know will mostly be gone after one season just isn't the same. I know I'm an old fart and that bigs may be right that the college game is as popular as ever, but I don't really care to be honest. For me personally the emotional investment in the team and players just isn't what it was, although to be fair maybe that comes with age and some cynicism about how the world works. I do still hate dook and state with a passion, though.
Every team now is a new fleeting moment almost
And then you start over
I have to think that in the next year or so there's going to be some moves to bring a little more order to this chaos. I have no clue what but this uncertainty is bad for players, coaches and fans. Since that means advertisers start losing money, something will get done.
Might regret this. But I think Hubert did good job today. Lots of uncertainty. Hell, I'm not an alarmist and I thought veesaar might be done. He got us prepared. Thought he did some good in- game coaching.. It would have been ugly to a higher degree if we had lost this game, adding urgency.
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WordBack in the 80s and 90s I loved both college basketball and football. I not only watched all UNC games but on weekends would watch non-UNC basketball games as I was able (especially ACC games on the old Jefferson-Pilot/Raycom network) and enjoyed them. In the 21st Century, with the advent of one-and-done and now easy transfer/paying players my interest just keeps waning. I still watch most UNC games (but not all anymore), but I rarely care to watch any non-UNC basketball games in any conference, including most non-UNC NCAA tourney games.
And mainly it's because, as others have already said, I miss the days of being able to watch players develop over the three or four years they stay at UNC. I still remember watching Warren Martin go from a bench warmer to a significant contributor and seeing that growth over time was one of the main pleasures of the college game. I just get the sense that more and more of it today is just hired guns playing for money and not the team or school, and for bench players they no longer stay in most cases but just transfer out. And I'm well aware that paying players and allowing people like Lubin or Cadeau a chance to shine somewhere else may be more fair, but watching teams of mostly mercenaries that you know will mostly be gone after one season just isn't the same. I know I'm an old fart and that bigs may be right that the college game is as popular as ever, but I don't really care to be honest. For me personally the emotional investment in the team and players just isn't what it was, although to be fair maybe that comes with age and some cynicism about how the world works. I do still hate dook and state with a passion, though.
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Nothing to regret IMHO. His coaching for the full court press helped seal the deal in this game. Masterful execution by the Jimmys and Joes. That only comes from coaching... and having the right Jimmys and Joes.
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When you can double with a seven footer it’s even better. Was a great strategy.
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^^^ This ^^^
The gambling aspect keeps the interest.
I recall attending UNC vs Wake game in Winston-Salem back in the 1980s. Typical Hardfought ACC road game for the Heels. Back and forth nip and tuck until Dean and the boys surged ahead with an 8 pt lead or so with only 2-3 minutes left. Wake had to foul and jack long range shots. They missed their 3’s and we hit our free throws. Now it’s an 11-12 pt lead with less than minute to play.
I sit back in my seat and say : “It’s all over now boys, we can relax.”
But my three friends are still sitting on the edge of their seats, hanging on every second, and every shot left in the game.
I said “relax boys, it’s over. We’re salting this one away from the line”
They said: “No, it ain’t over… the line was 11.5 pts.”
The gambling keeps the interest up.
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Your post expresses my sentiment perfectly.Back in the 80s and 90s I loved both college basketball and football. I not only watched all UNC games but on weekends would watch non-UNC basketball games as I was able (especially ACC games on the old Jefferson-Pilot/Raycom network) and enjoyed them. In the 21st Century, with the advent of one-and-done and now easy transfer/paying players my interest just keeps waning. I still watch most UNC games (but not all anymore), but I rarely care to watch any non-UNC basketball games in any conference, including most non-UNC NCAA tourney games.
And mainly it's because, as others have already said, I miss the days of being able to watch players develop over the three or four years they stay at UNC. I still remember watching Warren Martin go from a bench warmer to a significant contributor and seeing that growth over time was one of the main pleasures of the college game. I just get the sense that more and more of it today is just hired guns playing for money and not the team or school, and for bench players they no longer stay in most cases but just transfer out. And I'm well aware that paying players and allowing people like Lubin or Cadeau a chance to shine somewhere else may be more fair, but watching teams of mostly mercenaries that you know will mostly be gone after one season just isn't the same. I know I'm an old fart and that bigs may be right that the college game is as popular as ever, but I don't really care to be honest. For me personally the emotional investment in the team and players just isn't what it was, although to be fair maybe that comes with age and some cynicism about how the world works. I do still hate dook and state with a passion, though.
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Plus Dusty wouldn't leave Michigan.
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Your generation and older are struggling more with this transition than the more recent ones.Your post expresses my sentiment perfectly.
That's to be expected. It's not the same and never will be again. I'm grateful that for the majority of my fandom it was the old way. I will still enjoy this new era but not as much and am certainly less invested emotionally.
That's the way it goes though.
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Based upon what? I'm pretty sure I have a more direct connection to Michigan athletics than anyone here and I have no sense that Dusty would not leave there for one of rhe true Blue Bloods. One cannot overstate just how much Michigan football consumes all oxygen in Ann Arbor. Their fan base is the polar opposite of ours in that regard. Crisler Arena is a dump and they are not replacing it. They will pay him and they will give him whatever budget he wants, but coaches have egos and I am not sure his will be satisfied as a perpetual second fiddle on his own campus.
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I would also add that right now the attention of every basketball fan in Michigan is downtown in Detroit. When the Pistons are winning, it's difficult for either of the college programs to step outside of that shadow.
As to your points, I dont think Dusty is worried about job security. I think he is one of those guys that is so supremely confident that he can't imagine anything other than success. You are correct that anyone who lures him would have to pay dearly. The conference thing is an interesting angle because the BIG is most definitely a good place to be in one of the 2 major sports.
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I was trying to think back to some of Dean's teams that would have driven people crazy in modern times, and I think of that 1995-1996 team. Loaded with freshman talent, but was inconsistent. It had 4 McD's AAs, 5 future draft picks (Shammond, Serge, McInnis, Antawn, Vince) and it also had Sr. guard Dante Calabria. They finished 21-11 and flamed out int he second round to Texas Tech. That team arguably had one of UNCs all-time great players as a freshman, and a very good junior PG in McInnis.
Compare that with this years team (1 all-time great freshman and 1 other NBA player, and only 1 McD AA with Wilson). We're 21-6 with some difficult roster uncertainty at the beginning of the year, and then throughout. Also not to mention the strength of the top 10 teams nationwide, and it helps ease a little bit of the frustration.
Compare that with this years team (1 all-time great freshman and 1 other NBA player, and only 1 McD AA with Wilson). We're 21-6 with some difficult roster uncertainty at the beginning of the year, and then throughout. Also not to mention the strength of the top 10 teams nationwide, and it helps ease a little bit of the frustration.
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There are certainly lots of factors. Everyone gives DES credit for luring Roy back and the DES factor was big . But remember DES asked him back a few years earlier and he turned us down. What changed? Roy had a new AD that he did not like
While I worked at UNC there 2-3 pretty big name Profs we got to transfer from very good schools-because they had gotten a divorce and wanted to move on in life