Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Bigs23 said:
He said something about a coach is good as long as he has his players. This was at the time things were coming about Doh being abusive to his.
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So do you believe that Dean's position would be that as long as Hubert's players like him, that's all that matters?
 
rodoheel said:
What, exactly, are you saying Dean's position on Hubert would be? That as long as he makes the NCAAT, that's enough? That as long as he demonstrates high standards of ethics and integrity the results don't matter? What?
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I believe this. Dean would have put the man over the results.
 
duluoz said:
We also couldn’t possibly know who MLK would’ve voted for in the last presidential election. Nobody talked to him about it, right? But we can make a half decent guess.
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Okay then, after 4.75 seasons of HD at the helm, what would Dean say? Would he be perfectly fine with HD continuing to led the program indefinitely given HD continued to performed as he has been? If not, when would Dean think it would be time to move on from HD?
 
Calheel said:
The consensus appears to be that short of a complete meltdown, he's safe.

Of course, @heel79 would have you believe that there is a shadowy cabal of MAGA-loving politicians that are hell-bent to take down Hubert. I've been skeptical of this angle for awhile.
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I don’t know if they’re after Coach Davis but there damn sure is a MAGA ‘cabal’ trying their hardest to fuck up Carolina as we know and love it, at least as most of us here know and love it.
 
donbosco said:
I don’t know if they’re after Coach Davis but there damn sure is a MAGA ‘cabal’ trying their hardest to fuck up Carolina as we know and love it, at least as most of us here know and love it.
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That I agree with. I just don't believe they are deciding the cbb head coach position.
 
Ahead of Carolina’s March run, ESPN insider Jeff Borzello delivered the latest intel on Hubert Davis‘ future with the program. Davis appears to be safe for now, but that does not make it the case forever.

“Hubert Davis entered the season on one of the hotter seats in college basketball, but the Tar Heels are now ranked in the top 20 and are a second-weekend threat with Caleb Wilson expected to return from a hand injury,” Borzello wrote. “Barring a catastrophic finish to the season, Davis isn’t at risk of losing his job.”
 
heel79 said:
Ahead of Carolina’s March run, ESPN insider Jeff Borzello delivered the latest intel on Hubert Davis‘ future with the program. Davis appears to be safe for now, but that does not make it the case forever.

“Hubert Davis entered the season on one of the hotter seats in college basketball, but the Tar Heels are now ranked in the top 20 and are a second-weekend threat with Caleb Wilson expected to return from a hand injury,” Borzello wrote. “Barring a catastrophic finish to the season, Davis isn’t at risk of losing his job.”
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I'd like for him to be able to stay at least until college basketball settles into a new direction. He'll need to be pretty successful and the fans might want to rein in some of their overweening expectations.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Okay then, after 4.75 seasons of HD at the helm, what would Dean say? Would he be perfectly fine with HD continuing to led the program indefinitely given HD continued to performed as he has been? If not, when would Dean think it would be time to move on from HD?
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Dean would defend HD to the death.

And he would be trying in private to help him out.
 
CRHeel94 said:
Dean would defend HD to the death.

And he would be trying in private to help him out.
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And IMO to think otherwise is either bending the very likely reality so far, in service of your argument… or it’s fundamentally misunderstanding these men in the first place.

IMO there is no way someone can understand who Dean and Roy are, and appreciate their immense experience, and also suggest HD’s results to this point would have them preferring a move in another direction. Or even the lazy claim of “it’s impossible to know.”

And that’s not to say they could never get to that point of preferring a move, based on results heading in the wrong direction or something clearly detrimental to the culture— this is not about having blinders on. It’s simply to say that they would not likely be anywhere near that point, based on having observed them over decades.
 
duluoz said:
And IMO to think otherwise is either bending the very likely reality so far, in service of your argument… or it’s fundamentally misunderstanding these men in the first place.

IMO there is no way someone can understand who Dean and Roy are, and appreciate their immense experience, and also suggest HD’s results to this point would have them preferring a move in another direction. Or even the lazy claim of “it’s impossible to know.”

And that’s not to say they could never get to that point of preferring a move, based on results heading in the wrong direction or something clearly detrimental to the culture— this is not about having blinders on. It’s simply to say that they would not likely be anywhere near that point, based on having observed them over decades.
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Of course. Those who suggest otherwise are either being obtuse or have no understanding of dean and roy. And of those options, the first is clearly the front-runner.
 
One of Coach Smith's core values was loyalty. And he loved Hubert.

He did criticize Doherty during his tenure, but only because Doherty had some steps along the way that went against the Carolina Way. The first major misstep for Doherty was letting go of the longtime secretaries.
 
duluoz said:
And IMO to think otherwise is either bending the very likely reality so far, in service of your argument… or it’s fundamentally misunderstanding these men in the first place.

IMO there is no way someone can understand who Dean and Roy are, and appreciate their immense experience, and also suggest HD’s results to this point would have them preferring a move in another direction. Or even the lazy claim of “it’s impossible to know.”

And that’s not to say they could never get to that point of preferring a move, based on results heading in the wrong direction or something clearly detrimental to the culture— this is not about having blinders on. It’s simply to say that they would not likely be anywhere near that point, based on having observed them over decades.
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Assigning convenient beliefs to Dean Smith and Roy Williams as a way to justify why HD should remain the coach is flawed. When their presumed views are used as evidence, the discussion stops being about results, direction, or the program’s future and becomes an appeal to authority that no one can verify.

We do not know what Dean would think in today’s environment. We do not know what Roy thinks now because none of us here have asked him. Presenting speculation as certainty does not strengthen the argument. It reveals that the case for keeping HD is being propped up by beliefs attributed to people who are not part of our discussion.

It is also unfair to suggest that disagreement means someone misunderstands these men. That move shuts down debate by declaring one interpretation morally or historically correct. In reality, reasonable fans can value continuity, culture, and family ties while also questioning performance and trajectory. Those are not mutually exclusive concerns.

If the argument for retaining HD is compelling, it should stand on present day evidence and a clear vision for the program, not on words and preferences assigned to coaches whose actual views we cannot/or have not confirmed.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Assigning convenient beliefs to Dean Smith and Roy Williams as a way to justify why HD should remain the coach is flawed. When their presumed views are used as evidence, the discussion stops being about results, direction, or the program’s future and becomes an appeal to authority that no one can verify.

We do not know what Dean would think in today’s environment. We do not know what Roy thinks now because none of us here have asked him. Presenting speculation as certainty does not strengthen the argument. It reveals that the case for keeping HD is being propped up by beliefs attributed to people who are not part of our discussion.

It is also unfair to suggest that disagreement means someone misunderstands these men. That move shuts down debate by declaring one interpretation morally or historically correct. In reality, reasonable fans can value continuity, culture, and family ties while also questioning performance and trajectory. Those are not mutually exclusive concerns.

If the argument for retaining HD is compelling, it should stand on present day evidence and a clear vision for the program, not on words and preferences assigned to coaches whose actual views we cannot/or have not confirmed.
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Regarding “either bending the very likely reality so far, in service of your argument… or it’s fundamentally misunderstanding these men in the first place.”

I take that back. It’s not either/or in this guy’s case. It’s both.
 
duluoz said:
Regarding “either bending the very likely reality so far, in service of your argument… or it’s fundamentally misunderstanding these men in the first place.”

I take that back. It’s not either/or in this guy’s case. It’s both.
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I'll say it again: If the argument for retaining HD is compelling, it should stand on present day evidence and a clear vision for the program, not on words and preferences assigned to coaches whose actual views we cannot/or have not confirmed.
 
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