Hubert Davis Catch-all

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Can the BOG go over the head of the AD? Remember: They don't give a rat's ass about optics on firing a person of color. And they do want to hamstring a supposedly "liberal" institution of higher learning.
NYCBlueBlood said:
I think we are reaching a stage where evaluating talent is more important than in game coaching ability. If your entire team is going to turn over every year, you are going to win or lose based on the ability to construct a new team ever year.
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it is and has been all about the Jimmys and Joes and not the X’s and 0’s
 
Peppers49 said:
This sums up my sentiments. Even when healthy we were still a cut or two below the top teams in the sport. Looking up at the cream of the crop and never really a true threat nationally or within the conference. Wilson then getting two separate injuries to end his season is one of the most deflating ways that a season has been torpedoed that I can remember. Feel awful for him and the team.

Now we’re going into another offseason with the fan base divided, massive holes to fill on the roster, and a very murky future. Bitter pill to swallow while seeing all these other teams play at a high level in their conference tournaments and feeling hopefully about their NCAAT prospects.
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They beat dook. That's not a notch below. The team was trending up which all that really mattered.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Given the support put into the program (14+ million roster, highest GM in the country, analytics team, etc.) and the climate around it being a make or break year for HD/staff, I don't see how anyone can argue, legitimately, that this was a successful season prior to CWilson getting injured.
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Then you are not very creative.

18-0 home record (best ever). Wins over Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, @UVa and Ohio State.

Yes, lots of bad parts, too, but it doesn’t take a lot of creativity to argue that the season was successful as of the 1st Duke game (our last healthy game).
 
kidryancorn said:
Wasn't he allowed to use the basketball facilities while suspended and/or participate in certain basketball activities while suspended from school?
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He was allowed to use facilities under the term of the probation agreement struck with the victim but not participate in team activities.

The victim saw Instagram pictures that made it look like he was participating in team activities and sued the University for violating the terms of the deal.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Given the support put into the program (14+ million roster, highest GM in the country, analytics team, etc.) and the climate around it being a make or break year for HD/staff, I don't see how anyone can argue, legitimately, that this was a successful season prior to CWilson getting injured.
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This guy is turning into a caricature. Starting to feel like trolling now.
 
Calheel said:
Then you are not very creative.

18-0 home record (best ever). Wins over Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, @UVa and Ohio State.

Yes, lots of bad parts, too, but it doesn’t take a lot of creativity to argue that the season was successful as of the 1st Duke game (our last healthy game).
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Successful, given all of the external factors, would have been in the top 10, nationally relevant, competing for the ACC and in the talks for a legitimate final weekend team. None of that happened. I agree with you, "successful" is not a well-defined term.
 
Calheel said:
I think Indiana has the lockdown on bad coaching hires. They used all their bad basketball coaching hire karma to make the greatest football hire of all time.
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Saban to Alabama is the greatest coaching hire of all time.

Bobby Bowden to FSU is likely second. Spurrier to Florida #3.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Successful, given all of the external factors, would have been in the top 10, nationally relevant, competing for the ACC and in the talks for a legitimate final weekend team. None of that happened. I agree with you, "successful" is not a well-defined term.
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After Duke -- again our last healthy game -- we were No. 11 in the country, 19-4, nationally relevant, competing for the ACC and in talks for a legitimate final weekend team.
 
Calheel said:
After Duke -- again our last healthy game -- we were No. 11 in the country, 19-4, nationally relevant, competing for the ACC and in talks for a legitimate final weekend team.
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Duke was the was the last full healthy game. We were healthy for an entire half on the road against Miami and were still trailing when Wilson got injured. Chalk that up as a surefire win if he hadn’t gotten hurt if you want, but I think that’s pretty debatable considering we had already lost on the road when healthy to SMU, Cal, and Stanford (all 3 of those teams are worse than Miami).

AP poll is nice, but even at our peak we were never better than a top 20-25 team by any of the advanced metrics.
 
Peppers49 said:
Duke was the was the last full healthy game. We were healthy for an entire half on the road against Miami and were still trailing when Wilson got injured. Chalk that up as a surefire win if he hadn’t gotten hurt if you want, but I think that’s pretty debatable considering we had already lost on the road when healthy to SMU, Cal, and Stanford (all 3 of those teams are worse than Miami).

AP poll is nice, but even at our peak we were never better than a top 20-25 team by any of the advanced metrics.
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Henri was injured in the Miami game, too. That was not a healthy team by a long stretch.

Yes, we had some stinkers in January. But the season as a whole was successful as of our last healthy game. And Stank said no one could legitimately argue that. In fact, the standards he cited for determining a "successful" season were all more or less hit as of the Duke game.

I remain very on the fence about Hubert. But this season gets an "I" for incomplete. There were some good things and some bad things.

We start 2026-27 where we started 2025-26. Hopefully, we construct a more complete roster and hire Wes Miller as our defensive coordinator.
 
Calheel said:
After Duke -- again our last healthy game -- we were No. 11 in the country, 19-4, nationally relevant, competing for the ACC and in talks for a legitimate final weekend team.
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What was the score of the Miami game the instant CWilson got hurt.

Going back to you declaring the season a success prior to his injury. You would take those results year in and year out, indefinitely?
 
Calheel said:
Henri was injured in the Miami game, too. That was not a healthy team by a long stretch.

Yes, we had some stinkers in January. But the season as a whole was successful as of our last healthy game. And Stank said no one could legitimately argue that. In fact, the standards he cited for determining a "successful" season were all more or less hit as of the Duke game.

I remain very on the fence about Hubert. But this season gets an "I" for incomplete. There were some good things and some bad things.

We start 2026-27 where we started 2025-26. Hopefully, we construct a more complete roster and hire Wes Miller as our defensive coordinator.
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They were not more or less all hit as of the Duke game. Not close. Which ones were hit?
 
stankeylegjones said:
What was the score of the Miami game the instant CWilson got hurt.

Going back to you declaring the season a success prior to his injury. You would take those results year in and year out, indefinitely?
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What was the score when Henri got hurt? Because he was hurt from the get go.

Re declaring the season a success, I thought we agreed to the following: "top 10, nationally relevant, competing for the ACC and in the talks for a legitimate final weekend team."

And yes, I'd take that every year -- recognizing some would be better and some would be worse.
 
stankeylegjones said:
They were not more or less all hit as of the Duke game. Not close. Which ones were hit?
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Top 10 - We were 11. Close enough.

Nationally relevant - Absolutely. We were the talk of college basketball that weekend. And our TV ratings this year have been off the charts. We are absolutely nationally relevant this year and certainly were as of the Duke game -- with the most exciting player in college basketball.

Competing for the ACC - If Caleb stayed healthy, we had the shot to finish second behind Duke (who was having a historically good ACC season), and would have had a great chance to win the ACCT with Duke's injuries. And that was with a harder ACC schedule than UVA, Louisville or Clemson.

In talks for a legitimate final weekend team -- After Duke game we were generally described as a second tier team, with a serious shot at making the Final Four (go back and watch the Field of 68 podcasts that weekend).

So basically, we hit all of your metrics for a successful season, and then Caleb and Henri got injured.
 
Calheel said:
Henri was injured in the Miami game, too. That was not a healthy team by a long stretch.

Yes, we had some stinkers in January. But the season as a whole was successful as of our last healthy game. And Stank said no one could legitimately argue that. In fact, the standards he cited for determining a "successful" season were all more or less hit as of the Duke game.

I remain very on the fence about Hubert. But this season gets an "I" for incomplete. There were some good things and some bad things.

We start 2026-27 where we started 2025-26. Hopefully, we construct a more complete roster and hire Wes Miller as our defensive coordinator.
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Veesaar played 33 minutes against Miami. Pretty impressive for an injured player.

You can assign your “I” grades and play devil’s advocate if you want, but it’s also very easy to argue the other side of that coin.

What does a “complete” roster look like in your eyes? How likely do you think it is that we are able to put one together for 2026-2027? I will also record myself eating a shoe if Wes Miller joins the staff as an assistant.
 
Peppers49 said:
Veesaar played 33 minutes against Miami. Pretty impressive for an injured player.

You can assign your “I” grades and play devil’s advocate if you want, but it’s also very easy to argue the other side of that coin.

What does a “complete” roster look like in your eyes? How likely do you think it is that we are able to put one together for 2026-2027? I will also record myself eating a shoe if Wes Miller joins the staff as an assistant.
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Yes, it is very easy to argue the other side of the coin, and I have multiple times on this very board. It was Stank who said there was only one possible argument.

And that is my point. There is no clearcut answer about Hubert right now and because of that, next year is setting up as another make or break year for Hubert.
 
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