Hubert Davis Catch-all

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rodoheel said:
So is it your belief that Indiana would have been better off if they had been more patient with coaches like Mike Davis and Tom Crean?
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All of those coaches that have followed Bobby Knight collectively have a winning percentage of less than 60% for 26 years

Assuming we lose in the NCAAT 1st round we will have won 73% of our games, 76% if we make it to the 2nd round,77% if we reach the sweet 16

Give Hubie a chance to reach Dean ( 77% ) and Roy (75%) status or endure the next 25 years of coaches winning less than 60% each season ?
 
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Peppers49 said:
Brad Stevens hasn’t coached at the college level in over a decade, and he hasn’t coached basketball at all in 5 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he came back to the college ranks and dominated if he wanted to, but I still think he and Jay Wright would be riskier options than the guys that already have experience operating in the NIL/transfer rules world.

It’s essentially a moot point either way though. I can’t see either of them wanting to coach again.
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That's exactly what I was thinking and wrote earlier. Stevens may indeed be a great hire, but I don't think he's the surefire "slam dunk" some on here think he is. The college sports world has changed enormously from when he was a college coach, and as coaches get older (he'll turn 50 this year) they often lose the fire in the belly and ambition that drove them to excel when they were younger. At any rate I agree with what you and others have said in that I seriously doubt that Stevens would be willing to give up the money and prestige of managing a major NBA franchise for the stress and unreliability of a college coaching position, even one as prestigious as UNC.
 
finesse said:
Then you refuse to accept that the biggest advantage UNC ever had has been devaluing at the the same rate a UNC degree has versus the money available in the NBA. In terms of real life, both our experience in this kind of recruiting and Hubert's tenure started in 2021. We started over with a lot of things that year

Not saying that you don't have the right to criticize but you don't seem to understand that the biggest advantage we had was what being a Carolina graduate meant to your future. Even under Roy, most of the ones who left early got their degree. NIL and the amount of money in the the pros have negated most of that advantage and it's not coming back. If and how we replace it has yet to be determined and I don't know that we can. It doesn't mean that we can't be great again but I sure don't know how much of what we had will be left intact.
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The Carolina degree hasn't significantly mattered in 30 years in getting the best players as NBA money has long dwarfed what any of them thought they'd need to earn after their playing days.
 
SnoopRob said:
The Carolina degree hasn't significantly mattered in 30 years in getting the best players as NBA money has long dwarfed what any of them thought they'd need to earn after their playing days.
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Not for the best players although until ten years ago it was important in terms of NBA connections and such. It's more that it reaches much deeper down on the roster now.
 
My chief concern is that we have had only one IMO UNC-quality regular season: win ACC or very close 2nd.

Unless we make Elite 8 or FF, I would discreetly ask Stevens. Then default back to Coach Davis as best short term bet tp be top 4 or 5 ACC every year
 
finesse said:
Not for the best players although until ten years ago it was important in terms of NBA connections and such. It's more that it reaches much deeper down on the roster now.
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You think a Carolina degree was important in terms of NBA connections until 10 years ago? That's silly.

If the values of degrees mattered to recruits, they'd have all gone to the Ivy League before any of the P4. It hasn't mattered in a long, long time.
 
I doubt that very many players that are actually good enough to be in the rotation for the best programs in the country are factoring in the potential ROI of their degree when deciding where to play.

I do think that there are still guys out there that aren’t quite good enough to be one and dones but are great college players, that really value the multi year college experience outside of just what’s happening on the court. Hard to find and retain those guys these days, but it can be done. Outside of Bacot and RJ we’ve struggled to find players like that the last few seasons, and I feel like that’s a big reason for our inconsistent play.
 
Peppers49 said:
I do think that there are still guys out there that aren’t quite good enough to be one and dones but are great college players, that really value the multi year college experience outside of just what’s happening on the court. Hard to find and retain those guys these days, but it can be done. Outside of Bacot and RJ we’ve struggled to find players like that the last few seasons, and I feel like that’s a big reason for our inconsistent play.
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I think a significant change of the NIL era is that players who would have valued the 4 year college experience in the past (and, perhaps, the post-college network of players connected to a particular school) now value maximizing their earnings during their college career. For those who are fringe NBA players or international-bound after college, these 4 years may be the highest earning years of their careers and they're having to consider how to make the most of what they can earn during this time.
 
Bigs23 said:
You'd hope but UNC was elite when Doh sunk the ship so they had many of those type advantages.
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true, but that was when your teams were built from HS recruiting and any transfers had to sit out a year. You were much more hamstrung when you had talent misevaluations or recruiting downturns. Now you can remake a roster in a couple of months.
 
UNCRx85 said:
true, but that was when your teams were built from HS recruiting and any transfers had to sit out a year. You were much more hamstrung when you had talent misevaluations or recruiting downturns. Now you can remake a roster in a couple of months.
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Also Doh was historically bad. Don't underestimate that.
 
heelinhell said:
All of those coaches that have followed Bobby Knight collectively have a winning percentage of less than 60% for 26 years

Assuming we lose in the NCAAT 1st round we will have won 73% of our games, 76% if we make it to the 2nd round,77% if we reach the sweet 16

Give Hubie a chance to reach Dean ( 77% ) and Roy (75%) status or endure the next 25 years of coaches winning less than 60% each season ?
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Are those the only two options?
 
UNCRx85 said:
true, but that was when your teams were built from HS recruiting and any transfers had to sit out a year. You were much more hamstrung when you had talent misevaluations or recruiting downturns. Now you can remake a roster in a couple of months.
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Yeah with the transfer portal I think UNC’s floor is something like the 2010 or 2023 seasons, as long as the NIL commitment stays where it apparently is now. It would be hard for the bottom to truly fall out to the point where we finish well below .500 like 2002 or 2020.
 
heelinhell said:
All of those coaches that have followed Bobby Knight collectively have a winning percentage of less than 60% for 26 years

Assuming we lose in the NCAAT 1st round we will have won 73% of our games, 76% if we make it to the 2nd round,77% if we reach the sweet 16

Give Hubie a chance to reach Dean ( 77% ) and Roy (75%) status or endure the next 25 years of coaches winning less than 60% each season ?
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Your thesis is supposedly that by firing Davis too quickly. we will be more likely to end up like Indiana. So are you saying that Indiana fired their coaches too quickly? If so, then defend it. If not, then the comparison is irrelevant. Personally I think the problem is that they just hired the wrong coaches, not that they were too impatient and fired them too quickly.
 
Bigs23 said:
You'd hope but UNC was elite when Doh sunk the ship so they had many of those type advantages.
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To be fair to Doh the ship sinking also had a lot to do with the last couple Gut recruiting classes that left the cupboard pretty bare after Forte left early.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I think your examples aren’t similar to having players who have shown their ability to shoot well at the college level prior to coming to UNC (with some then moving on to another school and seeing their shooting improve).
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But they did come here highly touted shooters but while here never realized that promise - no matter what anyone could do.
 
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