I do want conservatives on here

What do you mean when you say "DEI is fair game" ?

DEI has nothing to do with implementing policies that mandate the hiring and advancement of those who are not qualified over those who are qualified.

It is obvious that MAGA/GQPers are using DEI as a dog whistle for bigots . Is that what you are implying when you say "DEI is fair game" ?
I’ve fully explained my position on Harris as a DEI hire in my few posts above. Including clarifying my personal opinions on the value (or lack thereof) of DEI as a general practice. I have nothing more to share than what I already posted above. Keeping it moving. Don’t have time to respond to 50 posts on this topic and say basically the same thing in all 50.
 
I thought the old board was moderated unevenly too. Saw conservatives regularly called magats and no one cared, but libtard would get you banned post haste.

And the number of people who called krafty a troll was ridiculous. Libs should just stfu about "trolls"..."Troll!!!" Is like the pheromone hornets release when they feel their hive is under attack
 
I thought the old board was moderated unevenly too. Saw conservatives regularly called magats and no one cared, but libtard would get you banned post haste.

And the number of people who called krafty a troll was ridiculous. Libs should just stfu about "trolls"
Everyone should “stfu” about “trolls” IMO. Grown adults with full agency over which message boards they frequent on the Internet should have a little bit more sense than to whine and cry about being called something as ridiculous as”MAGAt” or “libtard” by some anonymous goober with a weird made-up username like Cford or TarSpiel. Everyone, regardless of ideology, needs to grow a pair and quit taking this stuff so personally.
 
I thought the old board was moderated unevenly too. Saw conservatives regularly called magats and no one cared, but libtard would get you banned post haste.

And the number of people who called krafty a troll was ridiculous. Libs should just stfu about "trolls"..."Troll!!!" Is like the pheromone hornets release when they feel their hive is under attack
to be clear, anyone who calls another poster a variation of the "R" word like libtard, gets a ban on the sports boards too. The "lib" part of that insult wasn't the problem on IC.
 
See my post directly above yours for my thoughts on DEI. Basically I think it’s good for companies and the like to not be run solely by old white guys, so in that regard there’s a place for considering diversity that can absolutely help bring fresh perspectives.

But any time you deal with affirmative action or similar, there is also the risk that you start being too prejudiced in your hires and start passing up the best candidates.

Generally the companies I have worked for have thought about diversity in ways that I find are helpful. But Joe Biden announcing to the world that he was going to hire a black woman to the Supreme Court (or VP) is absurd and significantly undermined the credibility of both women. Even though both of them were actually perfectly qualified to just be chosen based on merit and not their race/gender.

Does that answer your question?
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Joe Biden intends to nominate first female black judge on historically white, male court: DEI goes too far!

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Joe Biden intends to nominate first female black VP in history: DEI goes too far!

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Democrats intend to nominate first female, black POTUS in history: DEI goes too far!

It's really hard to take this stuff seriously.
 
I thought the old board was moderated unevenly too. Saw conservatives regularly called magats and no one cared, but libtard would get you banned post haste.

And the number of people who called krafty a troll was ridiculous. Libs should just stfu about "trolls"..."Troll!!!" Is like the pheromone hornets release when they feel their hive is under attack
You seriously don't see the difference in MAGAt and libtard? MAGA is a political movement or philosophy, so what should the adherents be called? I think the insult inherent in "libtard" is self-evident.
 
It gets so exhausting having to coddle and baby other adults whose sensibilities are offended by being called names on an Internet message board forum.
 
It gets so exhausting having to coddle and baby other adults whose sensibilities are offended by being called names on an Internet message board forum.
I probably complained about that more than anyone. Why? Well there is a rule against it. But it also stifles good-faith conversation. How does that promote engagement? And then mods do it. I think I called someone an asshole once just to test the mods. Other than that I don't think I did although there might be a stray or two. But you are missing the point. I am not injured when someone calls me a racist or trumper or whatever. It just doesn't inspire me to engage. Also a fairly easy rule to enforce.
 
Everyone should “stfu” about “trolls” IMO. Grown adults with full agency over which message boards they frequent on the Internet should have a little bit more sense than to whine and cry about being called something as ridiculous as”MAGAt” or “libtard” by some anonymous goober with a weird made-up username like Cford or TarSpiel. Everyone, regardless of ideology, needs to grow a pair and quit taking this stuff so personally.

No, they should STFU about "trolls" because most of them ar not actually trolls, they're people with different views.

It's just mentally weak to have that as your go-to move when interacting with someone who has a conservative pov
 
No, they should STFU about "trolls" because most of them ar not actually trolls, they're people with different views.

It's just mentally weak to have that as your go-to move when interacting with someone who has a conservative pov
I agree, and it is just as mentally weak for people to go whining and crying and screaming to the moderators instead of just putting posters on ignore.

I don’t know how many times I have to say this. Literally nobody is attacking conservative posters because they have conservative points of view. Literally no one. Point out just one example please. I’m asking that to anyone. Point out one example where somebody is attacked because they express a conservative policy viewpoint. I have a hunch I’ll be waiting for a while.

And the name-calling and the trolling and the baiting and the inflaming goes both ways. You love to act like it is just liberal posters doing it. It’s not. That’s why I could not possibly care less how the board is moderated or if it is moderated at all.
 
I probably complained about that more than anyone. Why? Well there is a rule against it. But it also stifles good-faith conversation. How does that promote engagement? And then mods do it. I think I called someone an asshole once just to test the mods. Other than that I don't think I did although there might be a stray or two. But you are missing the point. I am not injured when someone calls me a racist or trumper or whatever. It just doesn't inspire me to engage. Also a fairly easy rule to enforce.

To be fair, you also told someone to suck your dick one time and you were not banned.
 
I agree, and it is just as mentally weak for people to go whining and crying and screaming to the moderators instead of just putting posters on ignore.

I don’t know how many times I have to say this. Literally nobody is attacking conservative posters because they have conservative points of view. Literally no one. Point out just one example please. I’m asking that to anyone. Point out one example where somebody is attacked because they express a conservative policy viewpoint. I have a hunch I’ll be waiting for a while.

And the name-calling and the trolling and the baiting and the inflaming goes both ways. You love to act like it is just liberal posters doing it. It’s not. That’s why I could not possibly care less how the board is moderated or if it is moderated at all.

I don't disagree with this.

But when a conservative tries to get under a liberals skin, it's trolling. When a lib does it to a conservative, no one cares...or at least thats how it was on the old board. You'd have to be a serious homer not to recognize that it was unevenly moderated.

But I do agree with your point about growing a pair. I've never complained to a mod about another poster, and never will. If you don't have thick skin - as either a conservative or a liberal - you should probably go somewhere else.
 
I don't disagree with this.

But when a conservative tries to get under a liberals skin, it's trolling. When a lib does it to a conservative, no one cares...or at least thats how it was on the old board. You'd have to be a serious homer not to recognize that it was unevenly moderated.

But I do agree with your point about growing a pair. I've never complained to a mod about another poster, and never will. If you don't have thick skin - as either a conservative or a liberal - you should probably go somewhere else.
Agreed. I do absolutely believe the other board was unevenly moderated. I won’t even try to argue that it wasn’t. I think it was a combination of factors, not the least of which was the hesitation to ban subscribing members of IC. That doesn’t make it right, but I think that had a lot to do with it.

I would much more prefer a board that is completely devoid of any moderation whatsoever other than banning people who make threats or use explicitly racist or hateful language.

I would also like to point out that I don’t think it’s actually the moderation that conservative posters truly have a problem with. I think it’s that a lot of their ideas and viewpoints are not taken seriously.
 
To be fair, you also told someone to suck your dick one time and you were not banned.
Yea. I did. That was when I was getting bombarded with verbal assaults and I figured what to heck. I was pushing the mods buttons.
 
I would also like to point out that I don’t think it’s actually the moderation that conservative posters truly have a problem with. I think it’s that a lot of their ideas and viewpoints are not taken seriously.
This, this, this. They set the terms of their own discourse. There's nobody forcing them to post anything that might be ban-worthy.
 
Agreed. I do absolutely believe the other board was unevenly moderated. I won’t even try to argue that it wasn’t. I think it was a combination of factors, not the least of which was the hesitation to ban subscribing members of IC. That doesn’t make it right, but I think that had a lot to do with it.

I would much more prefer a board that is completely devoid of any moderation whatsoever other than banning people who make threats or use explicitly racist or hateful language.

I would also like to point out that I don’t think it’s actually the moderation that conservative posters truly have a problem with. I think it’s that a lot of their ideas and viewpoints are not taken seriously.
Thank you

This reflects my position. With the exception of violent threats and explicit hate language toward others, I oppose bans and restrictive moderation of posts.

It would be nice to hear from thoughtful conservatives who wish to engage in reality based policy discussions, but I also appreciate those MAGA posters who live on earth 2 because they keep me informed of the latest disinformation rising out of the right wing fever swamp and being spread on Fox,Newsmax,Breightbart,et al
 
I don’t recall anyone calling Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell “DEI hires.” The problem with the right wing’s implication of someone being a “DEI hire” is that it is an insinuation that the person was completely unqualified for the job to which they were hired. Let’s all be very honest about that. The implication in calling Harris a DEI hire is that she was completely unqualified to be nominated as a vice presidential candidate, which is obviously absurd on its considering that she was the attorney general of the largest state in the union, and a United States Senator after that. There is not one single person who can credibly impugn those credentials and qualifications as “meritless.”

The same people that call her a DEI hire voted for a reality TV star to become President.
 
I believe it can either help or hurt. It can help when done correctly by bringing new perspectives. It can hurt when done incorrectly if more qualified candidates are passed over on the basis of not checking the race, gender, or whatever other boxes the organization is trying to check.

An obvious example of DEI hurting an organization would be female referees in the NBA. There’s no benefit to the NBA to having female refs, and performance-wise the female refs for the most part have been atrocious.
"In an anonymous 2023 survey of NBA players conducted by The Athletic, Moyer-Gleich received several votes for the "best ref" in the league. In 2024, the NBA selected Moyer-Gleich for a playoff assignment for the first time which would make her the second woman to referee a playoff game after Violet Palmer."


This is why we have DEI and other similar policies. It's because people like you don't even try to sideline your prejudices and pre-conceived notions. When Trump talks about foreign leaders treating Kamala like a "play doll," who do you think he's talking to? HE IS TALKING TO YOU. He is talking to the people just assumes that women can't do the job unless their competence is proven, whereas white dudes are just automatically presumed to be good. Get back to me when there's a female ref who was throwing games.
 
See my post directly above yours for my thoughts on DEI. Basically I think it’s good for companies and the like to not be run solely by old white guys, so in that regard there’s a place for considering diversity that can absolutely help bring fresh perspectives.

But any time you deal with affirmative action or similar, there is also the risk that you start being too prejudiced in your hires and start passing up the best candidates.

Generally the companies I have worked for have thought about diversity in ways that I find are helpful. But Joe Biden announcing to the world that he was going to hire a black woman to the Supreme Court (or VP) is absurd and significantly undermined the credibility of both women. Even though both of them were actually perfectly qualified to just be chosen based on merit and not their race/gender.

Does that answer your question?
In no universe does that announcement "undermine" the "credibility" of Kamala or Ketanji Brown Jackson. It only does that for people who see successful and intelligent black women as the exception, rather than the norm. Let's use some examples:

1. It is well-known that Scalia was chosen for his ethnicity. As Reagan's WH counsel -- who was there when the selection was made and who is no friend of liberals -- wrote:

"In the course of our discussion with Reagan the first time we were talking about the candidates … we had talked about Scalia. Reagan had asked me whether Scalia was of Italian extraction. I think he used the word ‘extraction,’ and I said, ‘Yes, he’s of Italian extraction.’ Reagan said, ‘That’s the man I want to nominate, so I want to meet him.’ We brought Scalia in… . The president met Scalia, and he offered Scalia the job right on the spot, in about 15 minutes, very little ceremony here. Scalia accepted on the spot. He was delighted. That was it… .

I think [Reagan] felt that it would be great to put an Italian American on the Supreme Court. He had all the usual American instincts: ‘We don’t have an Italian American on the court, so we ought to have one.’ "

Does this undermine Scalia's credibility? Reagan didn't publicly announce it, but it is now part of the public record. Scalia was chosen for his ethnicity as a white man.

2. It is also well-known that Brennan was appointed because he was a Catholic.

The president's advisers thought the appointment of a Roman Catholic Democrat from the Northeast would woo critical voters in the upcoming re-election campaign for Eisenhower, a Republican. Cardinal Francis Spellman had asked Eisenhower to appoint a Catholic to the court. Brennan was one of two candidates who met Eisenhower's three criteria: experience on lower courts; relative youth and good health; and a Catholic.

3. Of course, we all know that Clarence Thomas was appointed because he was black. It was probably the most cynical appointment in American history. Bush wanted to replace Marshall with a black man -- I guess he wanted there to be a "black seat" on the court? So he chose the black man least like Marshall, who also happened to be one of the least qualified people ever appointed to the Court.

I've never heard a conservative refer to Clarence Thomas as a DEI hire. Hmm.

4. So anyway, I guess that the Court's credibility survived these blatant affirmative action hires. But oh no, the president says he wants to appoint a black woman in exactly the same way that Reagan wanted to appoint an Italian, and suddenly her credibility is undermined.

5. Oh, also, I await your criticism of Roy Cooper being considered for the VP slot. It's well known that Kamala is going to select a white man, because of the whiteness and the maleness. People are open about it. They are trying to reach the persuadable swing voters who just can't deal with the idea of two women on a ticket. Reaching black voters, though, is apparently identity politics.
 
Second, Dems should not agree Kamala was a DEI hire, even if we believe DEI is a very good and important principle for social change.
There's the other problem, which is there is no such thing as a "DEI" hire. DEI is a recruitment strategy, first implemented by the US military. It is not a quota or affirmative action or anything of the sort.

DEI was mainstreamed as a direct result of Supreme Court decision authored by [checks notes] noted liberal firebrand Sandra Day O'Connor, who wrote that racial preferences in admissions were suspect but the military's approach (the military had written an amicus brief in the case) of using race-conscious RECRUITMENT was laudable. Hence DEI.
 
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