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Silence Dogood said:
14 amendment applies to citizens
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It certainly does. It also applies, in certain provisions, to all persons. It uses both terms, and not interchangeably, so it is clear when they say citizens, they mean citizens, and when they say person, they mean person irrespective of citizenship.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Npr? Left leaning for sure. Same ol tired argument. You definitely know you have a losing position when that's the argument you're making. "Let's justify crime by one group because I found a biased study saying their crimes are less likely to occur, so therefore let's ignore the crime."
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NPR didn't do the research, they simply reported on it. Research was done at Stanford Univ. and by CATO institute (libertarian and right leaning).

Some quotes, because you didn't bother to read the article.

"Some of the most extensive research comes from Stanford University. Economist Ran Abramitzky found that since the 1960s, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born people."

"There is also state level research, that shows similar results: researchers at the CATO Institute, a libertarian think tank, looked into Texas in 2019. They found that undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime."

Also, might add that I'm not ignoring the crime, but crimes by illegal immigrants are not an existential crisis for our country; you're far more likely to be a victim of crime perpetrated by a US citizen than by an illegal immigrant.
 
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Bobfripp said:
NPR didn't do the research, they simply reported on it. Research was done at Stanford Univ. and by CATO institute (libertarian and right leaning).

Some quotes, because you didn't bother to read the article.

"Some of the most extensive research comes from Stanford University. Economist Ran Abramitzky found that since the 1960s, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born people."

"There is also state level research, that shows similar results: researchers at the CATO Institute, a libertarian think tank, looked into Texas in 2019. They found that undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime."

Also, might add that I'm not ignoring the crime, but crimes by illegal immigrants are not an existential crisis for our country; you're far more likely to be a victim of crime perpetrated by a US citizen than by an illegal immigrant.
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Immigrants or illegal immigrants, big difference. Most crimes by illegals are also underreported because of fear from fellow illegals being deported.
Whatever data you're using still doesn't justify a welcome all approach. You're grasping at a strawman here. You're basically saying no one can question an illegal immigrants intentions since we already have crime. That makes no sense.
 
StrangePackage said:
It certainly does. It also applies, in certain provisions, to all persons. It uses both terms, and not interchangeably, so it is clear when they say citizens, they mean citizens, and when they say person, they mean person irrespective of citizenship.
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Wrong. All persons born or naturalized.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Wrong. All persons born or naturalized.
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Didn't read past the first clause, eh? Leave the law to the lawyers. @StrangePackage is exactly right.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Didn't read past the first clause, eh? Leave the law to the lawyers. @StrangePackage is exactly right.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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What if they participate in or even lead pro-Palestinian protests? Asking for a friend.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Didn't read past the first clause, eh? Leave the law to the lawyers. @StrangePackage is exactly right.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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You bolded any person for obvious reasons. I would add bolding to "within its jurisdiction."
 
Zoo_View said:
Even worse than engaging with ZenMode is engaging with this Silence troll.

He’s 100% MAGA. He spews disinformation and malicious information. You CAN’T counter it.

You think you can counter it. You can’t.

You need to ignore him on this board.
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Nah, ZenMode knows he’s posting bullshit but does it simply to annoy people. I think this Silence guy actually believes the shit he brings here from the right wing media bubble and is too dumb to comprehend the refutations. The right wing brain worms are a serious problem.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Immigrants or illegal immigrants, big difference. Most crimes by illegals are also underreported because of fear from fellow illegals being deported.
Whatever data you're using still doesn't justify a welcome all approach. You're grasping at a strawman here. You're basically saying no one can question an illegal immigrants intentions since we already have crime. That makes no sense.
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"They found that undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime."

In case you don't know, 'undocumented' is lib speak for illegal. Does that help?

Talk about strawmen ... I never said I agree with a 'welcome all approach.' I don't want open borders. But ... is the recent illegal immigration at the southern border an existential crisis to our country? I don't think so.
 


He didn’t ask him to bring back the guy ICE mistakenly sent in violation of a court order though ….
 

Boasberg Inches Closer to Finding Trump Officials in Contempt Over Venezuelan Deportation Flights​

In a hearing Thursday, the judge pressed a Department of Justice lawyer on why the administration moved forward with the flights after his court ordered them halted.

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Boasberg Inches Closer to Finding Trump Officials in Contempt Over Venezuelan Deportation Flights

In a hearing Thursday, the judge pressed a Department of Justice lawyer on why the administration moved forward with the flights after his court ordered them halted.
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“… Now the question is who, if anyone, at the White House put together the operation and kept it pushing forward — even as a federal judge tried to block it. …”
 
He should be found in contempt and impeached for ignoring all the court orders.
 
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