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cscott said:
It doesn't matter what his record is. It's still illegal to deport him to another country's prison.
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That's the irony. He could (should) have been deported, legally, to most any country except the one where he's actually a citizen.
 
ZenMode said:
That's the irony. He could (should) have been deported, legally, to most any country except the one where he's actually a citizen.
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How do you deport someone to a country in which he/she is not a citizen? Most countries only accept the return of citizens. Once you get an order from an immigration court saying you can't deport back to where you are from, it is very close to an actual asylum order.

Or, do you think it was just a coincidence that Trump/Biden let him report to his immigration officer once a year since 2019 and made no actual efforts to deport him?
 
superrific said:
Yes, as a legal matter that is true.

Suppose a person has a green card. When he goes back to his home country, let's say he's arrested, killed and his body cut into pieces with a bone saw. The home country says, "we were just applying our law to our citizen." According to your logic/Trump logic, that's the end of the story -- the US has no interest here, because he's a citizen in the country where his citizenship lies.

Is that how you think the legal system works here?

And think about extradition: when a non-citizen commits a crime on our soil, and then flees back home, can the US extradite him, to try him for his crimes here? The answer is yes. And while the US cannot *compel* that return, the US has every expectation that he will be extradited (per extradition treaties).
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Also, weren't some of the Iranian dissidents that were detained in Iran and called hostages by successive presidents Iranian citizens.
 
There is a major flaw in Trump’s plan. Trump’s concentration camp is not at all defended. In WW3 those will be liberated first.

I say that in jest but not sure how much.
 
dukeman92 said:
www.rawstory.com

US-born citizen being held for ICE under Florida’s new anti-immigration law

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen, was being held in the Leon County Jail Thursday, charged with illegally entering Florida as an “unauthorized alien” — even as a supporter waved his U.S. birth certificate in court. The man, who was arrested Wednesday after a traffic stop in...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com
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But we were confidently told that no American citizens would be arrested for political reasons under Trump 2.0! Every time a Trumper claims that his administration won't take the next extreme step and that our fears are exaggerated something like this happens.

 

U.S. intelligence contradicts Trump’s justification for mass deportations​

The determination is the most comprehensive assessment to date undercutting the president’s rationale for deporting suspected gang members without due process.


“… The determination is the U.S. government’s most comprehensive assessment to date undercutting Trump’s rationale for deporting suspected gang members without due process under the Alien Enemies Act, the 1798 law last used during World War II that laid the foundation for the incarceration of more than 110,000 Japanese Americans.

… The intelligence product found that although there are some low-level contacts between the Maduro government and Tren de Aragua, or TdA, the gang does not operate at the direction of Venezuela’s leader. The product builds on U.S. intelligence findings in February, first reported by the New York Times, that the gang is not controlled by Venezuela.

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When asked about the findings, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence dismissed it as the work of “deep state actors” working in conjunction with the media.

“President Trump took necessary and historic action to safeguard our nation when he deported these violent Tren de Aragua terrorists,” the statement said.

“Now that America is safer without these terrorists in our cities, deep state actors have resorted to using their propaganda arm to attack the President’s successful policies.” …”
 
superrific said:
From the end: "We yet cling to the hope that it is not naïve to believe our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos. This case presents their unique chance to vindicate that value and to summon the best that is within us while there is still time."

Oh, Judge Wilkinson, how are you so credulous after all this time on Earth?

Seriously, I know he has to write that because the WH responds poorly to criticism, but come on. It's not necessarily that they think the rule of law is not important. It's that they have an intentionally blinkered view of it that makes their "rule of law" look different from everyone else's.
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I didnt take from that at all that Judge Wilkinson is giving the administration the benefit of the doubt and crediting what they say. Thats the closest I’ve ever seen a federal appellate judge come to saying that the sitting executive is a lawless tyrant. As you essentially acknowledge, actually saying Trump is a lawless tyrant would just be counterproductive in this context. If people perceive the courts as biased and/or overreaching it will make it easier for Trump to further degrade and disregard them.
 
A pretty good factual write up of the situation. Author argues the proper relief would be to return Abrego to the US to then deport him to any country other than El Salvador:

www.wakeuptopolitics.com

25 Facts About Kilmar Abrego Garcia

The truth is not as tidy as either side would like you to believe.
www.wakeuptopolitics.com www.wakeuptopolitics.com
 
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