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Silence Dogood said:
On this message board. Show where you were against illegal entry. Google says due process means following established legal rules and principles to ensure a fair and impartial outcome. So what legal rules were followed during the illegal entry?
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This is going to fucking blow your mind, my Russian friend. We have these things called statutes here. They actually have the FORCE OF LAW!!! Can you believe it? It's not all about what our dictator du jour says!

 
Silence Dogood said:
On this message board. Show where you were against illegal entry. Google says due process means following established legal rules and principles to ensure a fair and impartial outcome. So what legal rules were followed during the illegal entry?
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Lol. Thanks for googling due process. You're getting warmer, so keep it up.

Your question is silly. What legal rules were followed during an illegal act? Uh, not many, hence the illegality.

It may also surprise you that I've not reduced every thought or belief I've ever had to writing on this message board. But if you want proof on this message board where I'm against illegal entry, here you go:

TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Are you asking me whether laws should be followed and enforced? My answer is yes.

What's your answer? Do you think laws, including the due process clause of the Constitution, should be followed and enforced?
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Silence Dogood said:
Keep burying your head in the sand. We have news stories of the crimes. Regardless of what skewed numbers your using you don't add to crime by saying its only a lesser type of crime, thats assisine. Separating the groups does no good, crime is crime. We can't get rid of the crime here per se, but we sure don't need to add to it. Plus alot of crime is underreported with illegals, from fear of deportations.
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So given your assertion that "crime is crime" shouldn't we be deporting more American citizens who commit more crimes than do undocumented immigrants ?

and a whole bunch of American citizen crime is "underreported"

Just trying to understand your tortured logic here...
 
heelinhell said:
So given your assertion that "crime is crime" shouldn't we be deporting more American citizens who commit more crimes than do undocumented immigrants ?

and a whole bunch of American citizen crime is "underreported"

Just trying to understand your tortured logic here...
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Why have no vetting and bring in any type of crime if crime is already a problem. Basic common sense. You want to fight crime by adding to it, dumb. We can't deport citizens, more common sense. You're defending the indefensible. So maybe solve our issues and not bring anymore of it in, I know its complicated for you
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
Lol. Thanks for googling due process. You're getting warmer, so keep it up.

Your question is silly. What legal rules were followed during an illegal act? Uh, not many, hence the illegality.

It may also surprise you that I've not reduced every thought or belief I've ever had to writing on this message board. But if you want proof on this message board where I'm against illegal entry, here you go:
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Right, how convenient the laws were already broken and now pretending to take the high road and want to be the defender of all things law abiding. Fraud.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Right, how convenient the laws were already broken and now pretending to take the high road and want to be the defender of all things law abiding. Fraud.
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You will again be surprised to learn that lawyers swear an oath to uphold the law and the Constitution.

If you move the goalposts any farther, they're going to cross a border illegally.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Why have no vetting and bring in any type of crime if crime is already a problem. Basic common sense. You want to fight crime by adding to it, dumb. We can't deport citizens, more common sense. You're defending the indefensible. So maybe solve our issues and not bring anymore of it in, I know its complicated for you
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We can't deport citizens ? That has been true on earth 1, but you need to ask Trump if that remains the case on earth 2...

 
"So what legal rules were followed during the illegal entry?"

Almost half of the people in the US illegally entered the country legally. They entered on a tourist (or other type of) visa and simply overstayed their limit. So this question is irrelevant.
 

U.S. citizen DHS detained for 10 days has intellectual disabilities, family claims​


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U.S. citizen DHS detained for 10 days has intellectual disabilities, family claims

Jose Hermosillo, a U.S. citizen who was detained by DHS for 10 days and prosecuted for illegal entry into the U.S. has intellectual disabilities, his family claims.
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“… Jose Hermosillo was arrested on April 8 by CBP in Tucson and detained for 10 days. His family provided documentation proving his American citizenship, days after being taken into custody, according to court records and Department of Homeland Security assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin.

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In a phone interview Tuesday, Hermosillo's parents told CBS News their son suffers from intellectual disabilities, cannot read or write and has trouble speaking. They said he could not have possibly known what he was signing when he was detained.

"He's never been able to read and was always in special education classes in school," Guadalupe Hermosillo, Hermosillo's mother, said in Spanish.

According to his family, Hermosillo lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico, but was in Tucson earlier this month visiting his girlfriend's family. He left his girlfriend's relative's home and wandered away during the night, and it was during this walk that Hermosillo was detained by CBP, his parents said.

… Details of the arrest remain unclear. The initial April 9 criminal complaint filed in the U.S. District Court in Arizona by a Border Patrol agent says Hermosillo was found "at or near Nogales, Arizona without the proper immigration documents." The document referred to Hermosillo as an "alien" and charged him with "improper entry," a misdemeanor offense.

…But DHS later stated that he was arrested in Tucson. According to court documents, Hermosillo told the judge he was a U.S. citizen during his first appearance. A day later, Hermosillo's U.S. birth certificate was made available to the judge.

… When CBS News spoke with Hermosillo, he appeared to be distraught and confused. He said he cried every night at the detention center, describing it as a very cold place filled with sick people who were constantly coughing. …”

 
farce© said:
"So what legal rules were followed during the illegal entry?"

Almost half of the people in the US illegally entered the country legally. They entered on a tourist (or other type of) visa and simply overstayed their limit. So this question is irrelevant.
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but I would like to how many of those who overstayed their visa are black or brown people; those are the ones we need to round up and rendition to El Salvador !
 
Silence Dogood said:
Prove to me you were for due process coming into the country illegally.
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This doesn't even make any sense. There's literally no such thing as due process at the border. Due process is something given to a person who is about to be deprived of "life, liberty or property" by the government. It's right there in the 14th Amendment. There's no such thing as "due process" for the bank robbery; it only makes sense as applied to the bank robber after being caught.

There is due process required for adverse adjustments of status, because the result can be deprivation of life, liberty or process. At no point in our history were we unable to afford due process requirements, and we don't know. Trump somehow convinces you that everything everyone has done in the past was wrong, and that he will fix it. The empirical evidence, though, confirms that Trump is wrong. It turns out that the collective wisdom of our previous administrations -- presidents, cabinet members, policy makers, economists, lawyers, etc. -- was far superior to the superstitions of a failed business man turned reality TV star.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Right, how convenient the laws were already broken and now pretending to take the high road and want to be the defender of all things law abiding. Fraud.
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No laws were broken in the majority of cases, and certainly the vast majority of the migration under Biden you're complaining about.

The laws require people who want to claim asylum present at a port of entry, describe a credible fear to a consular official, and then show up for a hearing at which the eligibility for asylum is determined. The alien can be and usually is paroled in, because we don't have any room or desire to lock them up, and thus the alien's presence is perfectly legal.

It's amazing to me that you have so little self-respect that you're willing to repeatedly humiliate yourself trying to argue law with a bunch of highly trained legal professionals.
 
Silence Dogood said:
What about the president oath to defend and protect?
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1. The oath applies to defending the constitution. Which Trump is not doing and every other president did at least to some degree.
2. The oath does not define the president's responsibilities. Article 2 says nothing about defending and protecting (except within the oath). Article 2 does require the executive to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." See that. They even capitalized Laws to make it easier for you to understand.
 
superrific said:
This doesn't even make any sense. There's literally no such thing as due process at the border. Due process is something given to a person who is about to be deprived of "life, liberty or property" by the government. It's right there in the 14th Amendment. There's no such thing as "due process" for the bank robbery; it only makes sense as applied to the bank robber after being caught.

There is due process required for adverse adjustments of status, because the result can be deprivation of life, liberty or process. At no point in our history were we unable to afford due process requirements, and we don't know. Trump somehow convinces you that everything everyone has done in the past was wrong, and that he will fix it. The empirical evidence, though, confirms that Trump is wrong. It turns out that the collective wisdom of our previous administrations -- presidents, cabinet members, policy makers, economists, lawyers, etc. -- was far superior to the superstitions of a failed business man turned reality TV star.
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Citizens lives are affected by illegal crossings, wheres their due process? Child trafficking on the border? Where's the children due process? You keep defending criminals, I'm not. You keep losing elections, weird.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Citizens lives are affected by illegal crossings, wheres their due process? Child trafficking on the border? Where's the children due process? You keep defending criminals, I'm not. You keep losing elections, weird.
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Do you think private individuals owe other private individuals due process? Fire up the search engine again.
 
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