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nycfan said:
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Trump floats canceling election, dismisses it to avoid 'dictator' label​


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Trump floats canceling election, dismisses it to avoid 'dictator' label

President Donald Trump spoke to House Republicans as the party braces for impact in the 2026 midterms. He teased he can't cancel the election.
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“… Riffing on tariffs during his speech, he said, "if you have the wrong president, nothing's good."

"We found that out for four years... They had the worst policy and we have to even run against these people," he said.

"I won't say 'cancel the election, they should cancel the election,' because the fake news will say 'he wants the elections canceled, he's a dictator.' They always call me a dictator."

… "You’ve got to win the midterms,” Trump said. “If we don’t win the midterms, it’s just going to be – they’ll find a reason to impeach me.”…”

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I think impeachment is an attempt to get out the vote in the midterm, but best case, in January 2026, we have multiple instances of Trump publicly fantasizing about cancelling the midterms … who knows what he is saying in private.
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Burgawnc said:
Also, I surmise there are many more illegals in Florida than in middle-America Minnesota. So why Minnesota, Oregon, New York... ?
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I agree. Any thoughts on who is staffing the hog processing plants near Tar Heel, NC or the chicken/turkey plants near Mt. Olive, NC? Would a working knowledge of Spanish be a useful talent in supervisory positions at those plants?
 
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Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention

The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.
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The president of Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota on Tuesday called for the immediate release of tribal members who were detained at a homeless encampment by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in Minnesota last week.

Three of the four Oglala Sioux Tribe members who were arrested in Minneapolis on Friday have been transferred to an ICE facility at Fort Snelling, President Frank Star Comes Out said in a statement released with a memorandum sent to federal immigration authorities.



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In the memorandum sent to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, Star Comes Out said the when tribal nation reached out to the agency it was provided with only the first names of the men. Homeland Security refused to release more information, unless the tribe “entered into an immigration agreement with ICE.”
 
nycfan said:


I hate to admit that I agree with him conceptually here.
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There's nothing wrong with the concept, but "Abolish ICE" doesn't mean abandon all immigration enforcement. It means the enforcement mechanism is broken beyond repair and needs to be replaced.

I've seen it described this way: If you receive a beautiful dish at a lovely restaurant and there is a giant cockroach in the middle of the food, what do you do? The government wants you to eat the cockroach. ICE reformers want you to eat around the cockroach. Abolish ICE wants you to send the dish back for a new one.
 
nycfan said:


I hate to admit that I agree with him conceptually here.
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The country has to have an ICE-like agency to perform needed governmental functions around immigration enforcement.

The current iteration of ICE needs to be abolished until something akin to de-nazification can occur, including firing essentially everyone currently a part of the agency.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
There's nothing wrong with the concept, but "Abolish ICE" doesn't mean abandon all immigration enforcement. It means the enforcement mechanism is broken beyond repair and needs to be replaced.

I've seen it described this way: If you receive a beautiful dish at a lovely restaurant and there is a giant cockroach in the middle of the food, what do you do? The government wants you to eat the cockroach. ICE reformers want you to eat around the cockroach. Abolish ICE wants you to send the dish back for a new one.
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Then they should say REPLACE ICE, not abolish it (which sounds more like burn the restaurant to the ground in your example).
 
nycfan said:


I hate to admit that I agree with him conceptually here.
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Even so, it's performative Fetterman on display yet again. He was just waiting to rail, as usual, against the latest thing that is SAID by the left that can be viewed as going to far, and will once again amplify that many times above his views on the extremist ACTIONS occurring on the right. Notice how he listed the targeting of migrants last in his list and made no mention of the violent targeting of protesters/others.
 
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nycfan said:
Then they should say REPLACE ICE, not abolish it (which sounds more like burn the restaurant to the ground in your example).
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And, on top of that, it was a failed strategy when it was "Abolish the Police." Abolish ICE is going to leave a sour taste in the mouths of people who didn't like the prior slogan. I've also seen some folks complain when, and call for the primarying of, specific democratic politicians refuse to say the phrase "Abolish ICE" when put on the spot. It's a terrible litmus test.
 
nycfan said:


I hate to admit that I agree with him conceptually here.
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Me too. And I don't hate to admit it.

It does seem like ICE was underperforming on deporting criminals based on the reports of the ones we are deporting now. I think most Americans, even very liberal ones, would agree that ICE should be focused on deporting them.

It also seems like ICE is targeting plenty of immigrants that many Americans would be fine staying in the country; Folks that work hard and people that came over as kids. I'd like to see those folks stay, but I understand plenty of Americans want to see them go. That's democracy.

And it also seems like ICE is violating civil and human rights on a regular basis. That shouldn't be allowed and the courts should be hammering the administration. I suspect they will but it's just too slow.

And abolishing ICE or physically attacking ICE is a political loser. Peaceful or even rowdy protests are acceptable but attacking law enforcement and even obstructing law enforcement shouldn't be allowed. It is not helping the cause.
 
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