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Callatoroy said:
Because they are here illegally. It’s ok that they are here illegally but not people at the border who aren’t legal? How do you deport them and not the guy in Minnesota that is here illegally. Who gets to pick and choose? Again, what it boils down to is the left (in general) doesn’t want to deport anyone who isn’t a violent criminal.
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That’s not exactly true, but of course you’re incapable of nuance. Does it make sense to deport someone convicted of “non violent offense x” 20 years ago, but has since been an upstanding member of the community, started a business, etc? Cause there are example of that.

What we have is a quota based deportation model, self described as that by the pieces of shit in this administration. That’s stupidity, because now we have a bunch of poorly trained incompetent proud boys rejects on our streets murdering people. They're deporting people who have served our country.

And again, you don’t want to talk about numbers because 70 fucking percent of the people they are arresting have NO CRIMINAL RECORD AT ALL. but you want to talk about “context”. Yeah, we need context!

No wonder you were so distraught when Charlie Kirk was murdered…you’re a dime store Charlie Kirk.
 
superrific said:
Seriously, dude, you don't have a good hold on anything. What you wrote about immigration laws -- pretty much everything you've ever written on the subject -- is flat wrong. Nobody is dismissing immigration laws. That's not how our system works. Why don't you read a few things that are actually informative, instead of listening to talking heads who lie to you.
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“Nobody is dismissing immigration laws”

Wrong
 
Jetson said:
That’s not exactly true, but of course you’re incapable of nuance. Does it make sense to deport someone convicted of “non violent offense x” 20 years ago, but has since been an upstanding member of the community, started a business, etc? Cause there are example of that.

What we have is a quota based deportation model, self described as that by the pieces of shit in this administration. That’s stupidity, because now we have a bunch of poorly trained incompetent proud boys rejects on our streets murdering people. They're deporting people who have served our country.

And again, you don’t want to talk about numbers because 70 fucking percent of the people they are arresting have NO CRIMINAL RECORD AT ALL. but you want to talk about “context”. Yeah, we need context!

No wonder you were so distraught when Charlie Kirk was murdered…you’re a dime store Charlie Kirk.
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70%? Newsweek?
 
In rewatching and re-listening, I can't shake the whistles that the observers are blowing in the Pretti murder.

One if the things that sticks with me from 9/11 is the firefighters alarms that went off when they were down (sounds a lot like whistles)....

I am just struck by the fact that both of these events will be the top of the worst things I have seen in my lifetime (obviously 9/11 the worst), but both have the same underlying soundtrack.

Doubt I will ever be able to get this out of my mind, just as I will never be able to forget those alarms and the sound of bodies hitting the ground after jumping 25 years ago. Both of these events seem like markers in time and things will certainly be different moving forward, and likely not for the better. Hope i am wrong on both of my above assumptions
 
Callatoroy said:
Because they are here illegally. It’s ok that they are here illegally but not people at the border who aren’t legal? How do you deport them and not the guy in Minnesota that is here illegally. Who gets to pick and choose? Again, what it boils down to is the left (in general) doesn’t want to deport anyone who isn’t a violent criminal.
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Think of it in terms of speeding - we don't ticket every speeder on the highway even though they are all breaking the law. We don't have the capacity to do that and the general public would lose their minds and get really pissed if we did. We mostly ticket the folks going dangerously fast (and a random selection of folks not going so fast) just to keep conditions on the highways manageable.
 
In 1986

1986: Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986​

54584r.jpgMarion S. Trikosko, photographer Aliens, immigration & naturalization [raids, Illinois] 1977. Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division.


" Congress enacted the Immigration Reform and Control Act (also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act or the Reagan Amnesty) and President Ronald Reagan signed it into law in November 1986. This act introduced civil and criminal penalties to employers who knowingly hired undocumented immigrants or individuals unauthorized to work in the U.S. However, the act also offered legalization, which led to lawful permanent residence (LPR) and prospective naturalization to undocumented migrants, who entered the country prior to 1982. Farm workers who could validate at least ninety days of employment also qualified for lawful permanent residency.

U.S. law required qualified applicants, who had continuously resided in the U.S. since 1982, to apply within a one-year window, from May 1987 to May 1988, pay a fee, and provide extensive documentation, which included fingerprints, employment history, proof of continuous residency, and other documents. After 1986, U.S. law required hired employees to demonstrate work eligibility by filling out an I-9 form and submitting certifications of citizenship or work authorization. Applicants also had to complete interviews and medical examinations. Employers who failed to document 1-9 forms upon inspection were charged with warnings, fines, or criminal proceedings. The General Accounting Office (GAO) was also established to investigate employer discrimination against authorized immigrant workers.

An estimated 3 million individuals—mostly of Hispanic descent—gained legal status through IRCA, securing economic and social opportunities as legal residents of the United States and gaining protection from deportation. In an effort to halt unlawful crossings and unauthorized workers, the IRCA also approved increased border security resources, including higher budgets for the Border Patrol and the Department of Labor."

More at the link...

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Research Guides: A Latinx Resource Guide: Civil Rights Cases and Events in the United States: 1986: Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

This Hispanic Reading Room research guide focuses on 20th and 21st century American court cases, legislation, and events that had important impacts on civil rights in Chicana/o/x, Hispanic, Latina/o/x, Mexican-American and Puerto Rican communities
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Probably a good thing. But I will celebrate it when ICE is neutered. In this administration there are no “adults in the room”. The next head of ice is still likely to be an Ed Gallagher type.
 
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