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[Centerpiece]

The acumen in organizing coupled with the pride involved in doing things well and efficiently go far, far back before the internet. That way of seeing was one of the most alluring and impressive things that I learned about Leftists when I arrived at Carolina in the 1970s. That said, I had seen a pretty good example in high school through the work of our music teacher, who I will always suspect of being "of the Left" as well though she never let on.

Agree100%
Which helps make my point even more.
How the right can “be surprised” about the “organization” of the protesters is total B.S.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Agree100%
Which helps make my point even more.
How the right can “be surprised” about the “organization” of the protesters is total B.S.

The right has low participation rates in things like PTA, school fundraising drives, charities that house and feed the homeless and they dismiss “community organizers” as incompetent ne’er-do-wells who can’t get a real job. It shouldn’t be a surprise that they are so unaware of the effectiveness of seriously intentioned, bottom up organizations when they are incapable of having a thought that doesn’t come down from FoxNews, church, or some bot on social media.

 

[donbosco]

Agree100%
Which helps make my point even more.
How the right can “be surprised” about the “organization” of the protesters is total B.S.

But the Right has always been like that. Harold Wallace (Vice Chancellor of University Affairs) shared a good bit of organizing inside information back in the 1980s over several campus issues. He knew very well how nigh impossible it was for modern conservatives to conceive of cooperation and the shades of selflessness in the center and on the Left.

 

[4thgenheel]

For sure. And perhaps this is who he always was, and the stroke simply removed his inhibitions and other restraints.

Research suggests that damage to specific areas of the frontal lobe, particularly the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, is associated with a shift toward more conservative, or less liberal, political beliefs. This area is involved in cognitive control, and damage may impair the ability to process new information or adapt to changing circumstances, which is linked to a more rigid or traditional viewpoint.

the stroke wrecked him.

Toward a neuropsychology of political orientation: exploring ideology in patients with frontal and midbrain lesions - PMC

How do people form their political beliefs? In an effort to address this question, we adopt a neuropsychological approach. In a natural experiment, we explored links between neuroanatomy and ideological preferences in two samples of brain lesion ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[nycfan]

 

[korgguy1971]

Toward a neuropsychology of political orientation: exploring ideology in patients with frontal and midbrain lesions - PMC

How do people form their political beliefs? In an effort to address this question, we adopt a neuropsychological approach. In a natural experiment, we explored links between neuroanatomy and ideological preferences in two samples of brain lesion ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks for sharing, 4thgen. I'd never seen that before

 

[Paine]

The right has low participation rates in things like PTA, school fundraising drives, charities that house and feed the homeless and they dismiss “community organizers” as incompetent ne’er-do-wells who can’t get a real job. It shouldn’t be a surprise that they are so unaware of the effectiveness of seriously intentioned, bottom up organizations when they are incapable of having a thought that doesn’t come down from FoxNews, church, or some bot on social media.

And to the extent the right ever practiced community care or organizing, it usually flowed vertically, not horizontally. I’m thinking of the church I grew up in. There was care there, but it came from the pulpit down, not neighbor to neighbor organically. It was mediated by belonging to the same religion and, often, race.

Now even that has mostly been replaced by grievance. The other institutions that once anchored small-c conservative life, like unions, fraternal orgs, civic groups, etc., have largely withered away. What’s left is media and resentment.

The church is often the last standing institution, and we’ve all watched in real time how badly it’s degraded when it becomes a delivery system for politics instead of a site of moral obligation.

 

[nycfan]

Dammit, if only he had gracefully announced he wouldn’t run for a second term and passed the torch to the next generation for a Dem primary.

 

[theel4life]

 

[gtyellowjacket]

The right has low participation rates in things like PTA, school fundraising drives, charities that house and feed the homeless and they dismiss “community organizers” as incompetent ne’er-do-wells who can’t get a real job. It shouldn’t be a surprise that they are so unaware of the effectiveness of seriously intentioned, bottom up organizations when they are incapable of having a thought that doesn’t come down from FoxNews, church, or some bot on social media.

Do you have a link to research on that? I have my doubts that there is any good way to study volunteer hours by political affiliation but when I volunteer at places like food banks, it's often overwhelmingly volunteers through church groups which would lean more right.

There is some good research out there that overwhelmingly conservative counties give more financially to charity than overwhelmingly liberal counties.

 

[wmheel1287]

I find it impossible not to wish bodily harm and death upon some people. I am ashamed of that, but it is the truth.

 

[heelinhell]

ICE accused of illegal 'cover-up' of multiple migrant deaths

Immigration and Customs Enforcement was discovered to have unlawfully failed to disclose the deaths of at least eight migrants in detention, a bombshell report from Zeteo revealed Tuesday.Under existing law, ICE is required to notify Congress of any in-custody deaths within 90 days, but...

www.rawstory.com

 

[nycfan]

 

[finesse]

Do you have a link to research on that? I have my doubts that there is any good way to study volunteer hours by political affiliation but when I volunteer at places like food banks, it's often overwhelmingly volunteers through church groups which would lean more right.

There is some good research out there that overwhelmingly conservative counties give more financially to charity than overwhelmingly liberal counties.

The first two things I'd want to know about that charitable giving would be comparative economic status and how giving to churches is counted.

I've heard much the same and don't have a lot of reason to argue but those are the sorts of things open to all sorts of numbers games.

 

[nycfan]

—> Minnesota Refugees Detained by ICE ‘Had Done Everything Right’

 

[Calheel]

There are far more than 2 shootings. There are 2 murders.

I did not say ICE agents as a whole. I specifically said "at least some of them".

There are more than 2 murders.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

The first two things I'd want to know about that charitable giving would be comparative economic status and how giving to churches is counted.

I've heard much the same and don't have a lot of reason to argue but those are the sorts of things open to all sorts of numbers games.

I agree. I just don't see a real good way to research it. Even liberal counties that give less to charity, would presumably vote for a stronger social safety net paid for by their taxes.

But mostly, I'm very skeptical of a claim that liberals volunteer for charitable organizations more or less than liberals. I wonder where that claim came from.

 

[Centerpiece]

But the Right has always been like that. Harold Wallace (Vice Chancellor of University Affairs) shared a good bit of organizing inside information back in the 1980s over several campus issues. He knew very well how nigh impossible it was for modern conservatives to conceive of cooperation and the shades of selflessness in the center and on the Left.

Simple ignorance or willful ignorance on their part?

 

[4thgenheel]

The first two things I'd want to know about that charitable giving would be comparative economic status and how giving to churches is counted.

I've heard much the same and don't have a lot of reason to argue but those are the sorts of things open to all sorts of numbers games.

giving to churches counts as charitable and makes up a very large portion of conservative giving.

 

[Paine]

Do you have a link to research on that? I have my doubts that there is any good way to study volunteer hours by political affiliation but when I volunteer at places like food banks, it's often overwhelmingly volunteers through church groups which would lean more right.

There is some good research out there that overwhelmingly conservative counties give more financially to charity than overwhelmingly liberal counties.

Here’s how I see it: The right understands care as conditional and mediated by authority; the left understands care as mutual and rooted in solidarity.

That’s why charity on the right depends on institutions and collapses when they decay, while solidarity on the left keeps reproducing even after its institutions are dismantled.

You see this at play in the fights about welfare in this country. U.S. welfare fights aren’t really about cost or efficiency, they’re about whether care is something people earn or something we owe each other as equals. That’s the through-line tying together church charity (which I think covers a lot of the dynamic you’re circling), welfare politics, and why solidarity survives and reproduces itself where charity doesn’t.