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Ddseddse said:
Steven Miller is plainly the both the proximate source of, and the primary achitect of, the Trump adminstrations's use of ICE as stormtroopers to terroize American communities. That is plain. I don't see a lot of point in beating around the bush on that.
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Agree 100% But claiming Lisa Murkowski is calling for the resignation of Kristi Noem to spare Stephen Miller seems a bit of a stretch. I hate to defend Murkowski, but it just seems logical to me that a Senator is going to go after a Senate-confirmed cabinet Secretary who is responsible for the organization which is at fault. A Senator has no input or impact on the selection or White House advisors, so what power would a Senator's disapproval have over a Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy regardless of how influential that advisor might be.

I'm not arguing that Miller isn't the devil. He is. I am taking issue with the conspiracy theory that Murkowski is part of some grand Trumpian scheme to sacrifice Noem to save Miller. I agree Noem may well be the one to hit the road for this fiasco, I just don't think there is any evidence that Murkowski is doing this at the behest of the Administration to spare Stephen Miller.
 
farce© said:
Agree 100% But claiming Lisa Murkowski is calling for the resignation of Kristi Noem to spare Stephen Miller seems a bit of a stretch. I hate to defend Murkowski, but it just seems logical to me that a Senator is going to go after a Senate-confirmed cabinet Secretary who is responsible for the organization which is at fault. A Senator has no input or impact on the selection or White House advisors, so what power would a Senator's disapproval have over a Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy regardless of how influential that advisor might be.

I'm not arguing that Miller isn't the devil. He is. I am taking issue with the conspiracy theory that Murkowski is part of some grand Trumpian scheme to sacrifice Noem to save Miller. I agree Noem may well be the one to hit the road for this fiasco, I just don't think there is any evidence that Murkowski is doing this at the behest of the Administration to spare Stephen Miller.
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Eh, I did start this duiscussion by clearly stating how cynical I am about this issue.

And for the record I am 1000% behind you as far as the fact in a normal administration and a normal congresss exercising normal congressional oversight, your theory of the case is exacly how it should work.

But I think a big part of how we got here is us clinging to outdated norms long after they have been scrapped by the other side.

I don't think my theory of the case is a "consiracy theory" as much as a recognition that the Trump administration is playing "for keeps power politics" (and dispensing altogether with the politics and opting for raw power as it suits them).

The Nazification of everything around us is not some unfortunate accident. It's the result of a deliberate stategy. If the architect of that strategy is getting heat, it's time for a let someone else's head roll. That's the way power politics works.

Believe me, I wish, pray, and long to be playing politicas as usual, but at some point we need to wake up and smelll the coffee.
 
Here's the nutjob that attacked Omar. Police believe that the substance was apple cider vinegar.



This is a real problem. Scalise, Giffords, Frost, Omar, Pelosi's husband. It's a miracle no one's been killed yet. I think we're going to need to start paying for secret service level protection for these congressmen.
 
CarolinaFever said:
Sounds like folks are starting to try to cover their asses.
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No doubt. And given how much Trumpers generally hate one another, once there's blood in the water they all turn into sharks trying to devour one another and be the last shark swimming next to Daddy Shark Trump. I would imagine that any halfway competent reporter is going to have a field day in the next few weeks getting juicy stories of backbiting, finger pointing, screaming matches, and all the rest coming from Team Trump as they all start texting and calling reporters to covertly (and eventually overtly) blame somebody else in the administration for what's happened with the ICE debacle, and in Minnesota specifically.

And since I said "halfway competent" that will of course eliminate CBS News and Bari Weiss.
 
farce© said:
Agree 100% But claiming Lisa Murkowski is calling for the resignation of Kristi Noem to spare Stephen Miller seems a bit of a stretch. I hate to defend Murkowski, but it just seems logical to me that a Senator is going to go after a Senate-confirmed cabinet Secretary who is responsible for the organization which is at fault. A Senator has no input or impact on the selection or White House advisors, so what power would a Senator's disapproval have over a Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy regardless of how influential that advisor might be.

I'm not arguing that Miller isn't the devil. He is. I am taking issue with the conspiracy theory that Murkowski is part of some grand Trumpian scheme to sacrifice Noem to save Miller. I agree Noem may well be the one to hit the road for this fiasco, I just don't think there is any evidence that Murkowski is doing this at the behest of the Administration to spare Stephen Miller.
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I don't think Murkowski cares one way or the other about Noem or Miller. I think her expression of " concern " is not based upon her ethica, or Constitutional principles. She is just wanting to distance herself from this when the shit comes down.

She and Susan Collins have no moral core.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
Here's the nutjob that attacked Omar. Police believe that the substance was apple cider vinegar.



This is a real problem. Scalise, Giffords, Frost, Omar, Pelosi's husband. It's a miracle no one's been killed yet. I think we're going to need to start paying for secret service level protection for these congressmen.
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ACV doesn't smell "foul."

strong, sure. but not foul.
 
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