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I assume you mean "shouldn't".

ICE isn't seeking out protesters, protesters are seeking out ICE. When I say "In your face", I mean they are going into cities in the middle of the day, with a caravan of vehicles and doing nothing to keep their presence a secret as they did in the past. They're going into places that they may not have gone into previously, many of them in public.

The ridiculous social media antics of the Trump admin also don't help.
If you dont think ICE is seeking the confrontation and going where they know it will draw a crowd, then you are deluding yourself. It is intentional.
 
Buddy. Pal. Friend. The Nazis killed 6 million Jews. That's not the equivalent population for ICE's killing of Renee Good and Alex Pretti, they're collateral damage. The analagous population is undocumented people and people whom ICE thinks are undocumented (which is to say, people with foreign last names and non-white skin). By their own admission, 15 died in ICE custody after Trump took office in the year of 2025. They've already killed 6 more this month. So yeah, they're ramping things up and operating like Nazis, and absolutely working on exterminating at least one race.
Unserious
 
You keep saying stuff like this, yet ignoring the fact that by "reasonable" you can only mean less than a 30% chance, at best.

They're targeting brown people, that's it. Their own numbers say this. You have a lot of nerve talking about what other people are ignoring, but every time this is pointed out to you, you conveniently ignore that. The entire thing is based on lies and propaganda that you've bought in to.

So once again, let's walk though it. In 2024, the people ICE arrested were 70% likely go have a criminal record (or pending charges):
"ICE continued to prioritize its enforcement resources by arresting noncitizens with criminal convictions or pending charges. Over 81,312 (71.7%) of the 113,431 arrests were of noncitizens with criminal convictions or pending charges. In contrast, 73,822 (43%) of the 170,590 noncitizens arrested in fiscal year 2023 had criminal histories."

Note that this is from ice.gov. Last time I posted these numbers, you responded with stupid shit like "Newsweek?", as if the source wasn't legitimate.

And in 2025, instead of 70%, it was around 30%, with less than 10% being violent offenders:

https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions

Full year data is not available yet, so this is dated late 2025. If you want to argue these numbers, you're going to find sources like "trust me bro" "Federal officials", Kristi Noem lying through her teeth, and other such propaganda. Which is basically all you have. So even if this ONE particular case was actually targeting a violent offender (which has a 90% chance of being untrue), who fucking cares. We're talking about a quota-based enforcement policy, which is completely stupid, and based on racist propaganda from people like Stephen Miller.

This is why, as I said before, you're a dime store Charlie Kirk. You start out with a falsehood and you base the rest of your arguments on that.

You mentioned the boarder bill being "garbage" earlier. But you never say why. The bill featured the following:

- Allowed DHS to temporarily shut the border under surge conditions (which is what happened starting in 2020, a surge) based on number of average daily crossings
- Overhauled asylum processing (making them much more limited and expediting removing conditions) and expanded enforcement, funded asylum processing/judges/etc
- Increased funding for border security overall
- It literally added funding for physical infrastructure (a fucking wall)

So why don't YOU tell me what was "garbage" about it, from your perspective? Because the reality is it was killed by Trump because it would take away from his campaign message that the border was in crisis. It would be harder for MAGA to trot out "Laken Riley!" to use as a political talking point. Which is all they care about, they don't care about her, just that her killer was a brown immigrant.

But you want to keep splitting hairs about exactly what crimes an immigrant needs to commit to get deported. But actual facts and reality are "stat manipulating games", because you don't want to address them.

Now go ahead and show what a great masterdebater you are and change the conversation...
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If you dont think ICE is seeking the confrontation and going where they know it will draw a crowd, then you are deluding yourself. It is intentional.
I think ICE, in general, isn't trying to de-escalate but the toxicity is definitely flowing both ways. Protesters cannot put their hands on ICE agents any more than they should with local police. The video posted on this thread shows Bovino saying "arrest anyone that touches you". That's fair, but it's not going to help the situation.

Video below is of Alex Pretti, 11 days before he was killed, spitting at/on ICE agents and the kicking out the tail light of the SUV they're driving. This happens as the ICE agent is trying to leave the situation.

 

I have no problem with ICE arresting and removing immigrants with criminal charges or convictions. That is not what they have been doing, though. They have been targeting random brown and black people and have been removing people who are here legally on asylum cases and who have done everything right. If ICE simply went after the "worst of the worst" like Donald promised, there would not be any serious protests against them.
 
I have no problem with ICE arresting and removing immigrants with criminal charges or convictions. That is not what they have been doing, though. They have been targeting random brown and black people and have been removing people who are here legally on asylum cases and who have done everything right. If ICE simply went after the "worst of the worst" like Donald promised, there would not be any serious protests against them.
Totally agree with every single word of this
 
I am so sick and tired of people on the right pretending that these protesters are the ones inflaming this situation. ICE is only there to terrorize Minnesotans. Period. They are not tracking down/arresting criminals. They're a bunch of reject proud boys hiding behind masks, profiling black/brown folks.

Anyone saying shit like this...
ICE isn't seeking out protesters, protesters are seeking out ICE.

Is just an unserious troll. And no amount of reasoning or evidence will change that.

I DO. NOT. GIVE. A. FUCK. what Alex Pretti did ten days, four hours or even thirty seconds before he was executed! Nothing gave them the right to put a bullet in the back of his head and pump nine more rounds into his back. Period.
 
None of us are there and I don't know what to believe anymore from any type of media. Just seems very senseless to me to risk your life over it. I would never make the decision to be anywhere near trigger happy bullies with badges. If that makes me a coward, then I'm a shameless coward, homies.
 
It is important to realize this about the Trump administration and ICE:

Tactics=Policy

There is no separation from the manner in how ICE carries out its mission from the policy of the administration. The immediate reactions to the murders in Minneapolis was the policy. Only after getting tremendous pushback have they retreated an inch.
exactly, which is why the bluster from clowns like calla claiming that they "support the policy but not the tactics/execution" is just a steaming pile of bullshit.
 
Yep. Under previous administrations, ICE worked quietly. You never saw them. They didn't roll into down like the military.

That doesn't automatically mean they're doing anything wrong or illegal. ICE's job is to find people here illegally and deport them.

People just don't like that they're working "in your face".
the shot a citizen in the face and one in the back of the head..who , at most, were blocking their path.
 
None of us are there and I don't know what to believe anymore from any type of media. Just seems very senseless to me to risk your life over it. I would never make the decision to be anywhere near trigger happy bullies with badges. If that makes me a coward, then I'm a shameless coward, homies.
Well, I cant argue with owning it but I sure hope that when the time comes here (and it will), I dont cower from the moment. I would rather be shot standing up for something ai believe in. I say that with no judgement about you or your stance. Just saying that someone needs to stand up to these monstrous folks.
 
None of us are there and I don't know what to believe anymore from any type of media. Just seems very senseless to me to risk your life over it. I would never make the decision to be anywhere near trigger happy bullies with badges. If that makes me a coward, then I'm a shameless coward, homies.
I appreciate your candor. We'd still have jim crow if everyone thought this way.
 
"ICE's job is to find people here illegally and deport them. People just don't like that they're working "in your face".

No, people don't like their Gestapo tactics demanding papers from profiled people innocently walking down the street, driving by in their cars, waiting in the school pickup line or shopping for groceries. It goes far beyond "in your face" behavior.

They are violating the Constitution every day. THAT is what people are protesting, Brett Kavanaugh notwithstanding.
 
Well, I cant argue with owning it but I sure hope that when the time comes here (and it will), I dont cower from the moment. I would rather be shot standing up for something ai believe in. I say that with no judgement about you or your stance. Just saying that someone needs to stand up to these monstrous folks.
I get that and appreciate ya! I just don't see how standing up to them in this situation is very smart at all and surely not worth any life. I wouldnt want anybody I know to make that decision, but thats just me. Certain things I would, but not this bullshit where its not gonna matter at all. Just gotta beat em at the polls, homie.
 
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