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Ramrouser said:
Pretti may not be a domestic terrorist (loaded term that the admin should avoid) but he was a professional agitator intent upon upon impeding ICE's lawful duties. He's not an innocent protestor/nurse merely wanting to film ICE. He actively was working with Signal Chat on a full time basis after being fired from his job as a nurse for insubordination.

I'm not saying he deserved to be shot by ICE but he was playing Russian roulette by repeatedly inserting himself into law enforcement raids with a loaded gun, spitting and putting his hands on officers and kicking out a tail light as they were leaving the scene.
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Nothing you've written here changes the fact that the ICE agents who shot him were unjustified in doing so and must be tried for murder. Also, I love the "professional" agitator label being slung around by the MAGA echo chamber. As if all these people are getting paychecks. False.
 
05C40 said:
I really agree with this. For decades the right-wing has demanded an expansive interpretation of the 2nd Amendment as a protection against governmental overreach. And now that government overeach is actually happening, the right-wing interpretation of the 2nd Amendment has shifted to, "Guns for me, but none for thee."
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The right literally stands for nothing anymore.
 
nycfan said:
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Duh. The stories are always false.

People need to never forget what Vance admitted in 2024 on the campaign, when talking about the pet eating. He refused to apologize for inventing stories if it helps him get elected. He didn't put it exactly like that (he said he would invent stories to show the american people the reality but of course we know what he meant).

So every single anecdote Vance ever tells should be treated as presumptively false. He admitted it.
 


“… It's really insurrectionists and agitators and they're paid ... everybody has a beautiful sign with brand new wood. Leather panels.“

Brand new wood is easy to obtain at your local hardware box store. But leather panels?
 
nycfan said:


“… It's really insurrectionists and agitators and they're paid ... everybody has a beautiful sign with brand new wood. Leather panels.“

Brand new wood is easy to obtain at your local hardware box store. But leather panels?
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Fine Corinthian leather really makes a protest sign pop.

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nycfan said:


“… It's really insurrectionists and agitators and they're paid ... everybody has a beautiful sign with brand new wood. Leather panels.“

Brand new wood is easy to obtain at your local hardware box store. But leather panels?
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Is he eventually going to use the presence of plywood at protests as a justification for the insurrection act?
 
Ramrouser said:
No one brought a gun on J6. But if they did the same reasoning would apply.
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Is there anything about which you will not lie?

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Fact Check: US Capitol attack rioters had weapons, including firearms

Witness testimony and evidence in legal cases against supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the U.S. Capitol in January 2021 show that some of the rioters had weapons, contrary to social media posts saying the attack could not be called an “insurrection” because none of the...
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Multiple individuals were criminally charged with carrying firearms and other deadly weapons during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, directly contradicting claims that no weapons were present
. While many, though not all, of these cases were affected by sweeping pardons issued by President Trump upon his return to office in January 2025, the court records from 2021–2024 confirm a significant presence of weapons.

Key Weapon-Related Charges and Convictions
  • Firearms on Capitol Grounds: Several defendants were convicted or pleaded guilty to bringing firearms onto the restricted grounds of the Capitol. Examples include:
    • Christopher Alberts (Maryland):Convicted of felony and misdemeanor charges for carrying a loaded 9-millimeter pistol, 12 rounds of ammunition, and a pocketknife onto Capitol grounds, for which he was sentenced to seven years in prison.
    • Mark Mazza (Indiana): Pleaded guilty to bringing a Taurus revolver (loaded with three shotgun shells and two hollow point bullets) and a loaded .40 semi-automatic pistol to the Capitol, as well as assaulting law enforcement.
    • Guy Wesley Reffitt (Texas): A member of the Three Percenters, found guilty in 2022 of five charges, including carrying a handgun on restricted Capitol grounds.
    • Jerod Thomas Bargar (Missouri):Pleaded guilty to one felony count of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon (a loaded 9-millimeter pistol).
  • Other Dangerous Weapons: Rioters used a variety of weapons, including:
    • Explosive Devices/Molotov Cocktails:Lonnie Coffman (Alabama) was arrested with multiple handguns, an assault rifle, a shotgun, a crossbow, and 11 Molotov cocktails in his truck near the Capitol. Daniel Ball (Florida) was accused of throwing an explosive device that detonated on police.
    • Improvised Weapons: Rioters utilized flagpoles, stun guns, baseball bats, pepper spray, fire extinguishers, and tomahawk axes.
  • Shots Fired: John Banuelos of Illinois was arrested and charged with firing a gun in the air during the riot.
 
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