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This isn't going to work out any better than previous attempts. The word "forcibly" is in the statute.

But hey Supreme court -- see what is happening? Sometimes nationwide injunctions are necessary if the executive is abusing the same power over and over again in the same way. For a bunch of jurists who had their panties bunched by the prospect of a president ever needing even to answer for decisions like pardons (i.e. they held that evidence of corrupt execution of core powers can't be introduced ever), and who saw mere allegations as lawfare, they sure seem unmoved by lawfare against the population.
 
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🎁 —> https://wapo.st/4aK3iC4
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“… The Missouri grandmother’s life had taken an unrecognizable turn days earlier, when federal agents pulled her off an arriving flight at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport, arrested her and told her she would be deported.

Her crime? Writing two bad checks, for a combined total of less than $75, more than a decade earlier.

Hughes-Brown, a lawful permanent resident of the United States since she was a child, would go on to spend 143 days — nearly five months — in detention.

She was only released at the end of last year after an immigration judge granted an application to stop her removal. Her story underscores just how far the Trump administration is willing to go in its quest to boost deportations, extending its dragnet to people who are legally present in the country with minor offenses from years earlier….”
 
nycfan said:
“… The Missouri grandmother’s life had taken an unrecognizable turn days earlier, when federal agents pulled her off an arriving flight at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport, arrested her and told her she would be deported.

Her crime? Writing two bad checks, for a combined total of less than $75, more than a decade earlier.

Hughes-Brown, a lawful permanent resident of the United States since she was a child, would go on to spend 143 days — nearly five months — in detention.

She was only released at the end of last year after an immigration judge granted an application to stop her removal. Her story underscores just how far the Trump administration is willing to go in its quest to boost deportations, extending its dragnet to people who are legally present in the country with minor offenses from years earlier….”
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But they're only going after the worse of the worse, and Zen assured me they wouldn't deport anyone here that wasn't illegal.
 
hedge said:
I'm not seeing the pullback you mention, super. Quite the contrary, actually. And OK, take the literal executing of these people in the streets off the table. I still think it's more than fair to interpret his assessment of great wealth writ large as somehow "unfair" is just... wrong. Is that gentle enough?
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This is my last response to you here because, again, is a wild deviation from the thread topic and that is just rude. If you would like to discuss me or discuss with me, you can start the thread.

For the record, I never advocated for fair. I said fair was fantasy. In policy, governance, and economy, it is.
 
superrific said:
We should retire this saying. Statistics are actually useful and one wonders if a mentality like this is in part responsible for the science phobia.
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Of course they're useful. No one should suggest otherwise. Statisticians run in my family. My mother's aunt was Gertrude Cox. Look her up.
The problem is when they're used out of context to support an argument. It's important to look into the basis for the stat rather than assuming it proves a point.
 
pspsps said:
4000. Wow. Only meant breaking a few eggs you know.
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3000 federal agents created a massive uproar and social disturbance to capture essentially a third of an illegal immigrant a month, assuming no mistakes:ROFLMAO:. I'm sure this was cost efficient.


Beginning in December 2025, over 3,000 federal immigration personnel, including roughly 2,000 ICE agents, were deployed to Minnesota for "Operation Metro Surge". While around 700 agents began leaving in early February 2026, a significant force remained in the Twin Cities area to conduct large-scale immigration enforcement
 
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Of course, there's the economic benefit to the nation in what they did and how they did it.


Operation Metro Surge, a federal immigration enforcement operation in Minnesota, is costing taxpayers approximately $18 million per week as of early 2026. These operations involve significant hotel costs, exceeding $360,000 per night, and have contributed to an estimated $46 million in revenue loss for businesses in Minneapolis'
 
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