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superrific said:
This is a continuation of a trend that started last year. It's not a measure of border crossings; it's a measure of border encounters.

One form of encounter was the app that Biden had put in place and Trump cancelled for no reason. That's the primary reason why the border crossings are low. Another reason is that the US economy is terrible now and nobody would want to migrate here.

And no, I do not think it is a good thing. The good thing is to follow the law, which Trump struggles with mightily, and to provide asylum to those who need it. What would be a good thing would be to fund our immigration system so it has capacity to do its job. Trump and the GOP don't want to do that because they love chaos at the border. It whips people like you into outrage and you stop paying attention to them opening your wallet.

If there are too many asylum seekers, maybe the better idea is to help El Salvador become more like Costa Rica. Problem solved.

Also, CRHeel has noted multiple times that a big spike in migration appears to have been an intentional effort by Cuba, Nicaragua and even Russia to cause political problems for Biden. He has the receipts and has shown them.
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You do realize the voters liked the America first message and wanted to scale back immigration? Cancelling that app isn't bad like you claim. Time to clean house here first, no pouring over our borders claiming "asylum". You're on the losing side of this issue!!
Trump is following current federal law, you're using scare tactics to prove a point.
Even if what you're saying is true about international efforts, then why the effort to defend criminals. Why didn't Biden have a harsh message on deportation? It doesn't add up.
 
superrific said:
1. Did you just "blah blah blah" the law? That says more about you than anything.

2. No person is illegal. You're more of a deplorable than he is an illegal. Note that I object to the dehumanizing language in both cases, although some of y'all have dehumanized yourselves.

3. If he's removable -- a big question in my mind, given the ridiculous nature of the ID -- he should not be deported to El Salvador. If they cannot find a safe place to deport him, then he stays. That's been the law in this country for generations; it's part of the Geneva Convention, and it's also part of other UN treaties.

What do you think will happen when the US shits on all the treaties it has signed in the past?
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Ok you're officially dying on the hill, good luck.
 
Silence Dogood said:
You do realize the voters liked the America first message and wanted to scale back immigration? Cancelling that app isn't bad like you claim. Time to clean house here first, no pouring over our borders claiming "asylum". You're on the losing side of this issue!!
Trump is following current federal law, you're using scare tactics to prove a point.
Even if what you're saying is true about international efforts, then why the effort to defend criminals. Why didn't Biden have a harsh message on deportation? It doesn't add up.
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The biggest lie ever told is that Trump is following current federal law. Trump has done many things but very few are within the confines of the law. The man is a career criminal in every imaginable way.
 
Zoo_View said:
Even worse than engaging with ZenMode is engaging with this Silence troll.

He’s 100% MAGA. He spews disinformation and malicious information. You CAN’T counter it.

You think you can counter it. You can’t.

You need to ignore him on this board.
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Or you can debate me like a man, and quit creating the obvious echo chamber
 
Silence Dogood said:
Or you can debate me like a man, and quit creating the obvious echo chamber
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You don't debate like a man. You debate like a young child. "Blah blah blah" is not an acceptable debating practice anywhere and it never has been.

If you think we're having a debate, then you misunderstand the nature of our relationship. I am to you as I was to my students, except my students were at least somewhat knowledgeable. If you want me to treat you like a peer, then put in some effort to merit such a designation.

Otherwise you're just Smeagol.
 
Silence I think what you are missing is this is how the elimination of due process starts. It begins with eliminating due process rights for alleged immigrant criminals that don't deserve any rights and are dangerous, despite the fact that there has been no judicial hearing to determine whether this is the truth; in other words, screw these guys they are foreigners and probably gang members so deport them without trial.

If you buy this crap, then you have established the precedent that the US president and the executive can merely assert someone's guilt and deprive them of any due process hearing in a US court.

America fought a revolution in part to fight such unlimited power that was wielded by the King of England. Heck possibly your ancestors died in that war. We also fought Nazi Germany to prevent such authoritarianism spreading across the world. Many of us had relatives that died in that war. We also fought communism in Vietnam for the same reasons (in part). Many of us had relatives that died in that war and were permanently injured, physically and mentally. Same goes for Iraq and Afghanistan (not much due process in Islamic fundamentalist theocracies).

Silence, this is the slow burn. One America, Fox, Truth Social are not going to tell you that brother. Wake up!
Silence Dogood said:
But supporting an administration that doesn't enforce border security and allowing ms13 members into the country gets a free pass. You pick and choose your issues based on partisan politics, never looking at the big picture. You're defending criminals but can't even see it!
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Silence Dogood said:
Or you can debate me like a man, and quit creating the obvious echo chamber
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A debate with Silence:

Moderator: Let's start with a simple question. What is 2+2?

A Sentient Human: Four.

Silence: Zero!!! Argh!!!

Moderator: The answer, of course, is four.

Silence: YOU STUPID SPAWN OF SATAN!!! HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE MY AUTHORITY??? I WAS ASSURED BY NONE OTHER THAN MEGYN (BLESS HER DIVINE SOUL) KELLY THAT 2+2 IS ZERO!!! LET IT BE SO!!! NOW CURSE YOU TO THE FOUL DEPTHS OF HELL!!!

Moderator: Uhhh ...

A Sentient Human: Uhhh ...

Silence: I WIN!!!!!
 
superrific said:
You don't debate like a man. You debate like a young child. "Blah blah blah" is not an acceptable debating practice anywhere and it never has been.

If you think we're having a debate, then you misunderstand the nature of our relationship. I am to you as I was to my students, except my students were at least somewhat knowledgeable. If you want me to treat you like a peer, then put in some effort to merit such a designation.

Otherwise you're just Smeagol.
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When you engage with him, he doesn’t learn anything and you give him a hard-on. He’s hooked you.
 
Zoo_View said:
When you engage with him, he doesn’t learn anything and you give him a hard-on. He’s hooked you.
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Maybe you ought to do less policing. There are people who read the board and don't post. The audience isn't only that other poster.

In addition, sometimes I don't mind a bit of argument to get myself fired up to do my work for the afternoon. Even if it's with trolls.
 
superrific said:
We do. See the DOGE thread.
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More gotcha games. You're being dishonest on purpose. Remember voters trusted Trump more on illegal immigration. You're arguing from a losing standpoint. That's why you love this echo chamber atmosphere. It would never fly in the real world.
 
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