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Lolol which poster here is it that is always whining about blue haired libs women? Is it the aroused ram or do I have my MAGAts mixed up?
 
Basic reminder of the nature of life: it is ok to admit when you are wrong. In fact it is healthy and essential to the human condition.

And the fact that the leader of the cult entirely lacks the ability to do so is among the scariest aspects of him and the MAGAts that emulate him.
 
In my opinion
gtyellowjacket said:
I think everyone, except him and apparently you, knew that the hypothetical steps were:

1. Trump pardon (for federal charges)
2. Congressional investigation uncovers facts
3. Minnesota uses those facts for state charges.

You are not helping him by enabling his mental struggles. We've all seen where this goes multiple times now.
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Minn. is not waiting on the Federal government or Congress to provide the facts. They are conducting their own investigation. If I had to bet, I suspect that the Minn. Attorney General will eventually bring charges of at least manslaughter under Minn. state law in Minn. State court. The Trump admin/DOJ will file a notice of removal in federal court. I think charges are more likely than not forthcoming.

I am not a litigator but I suspect that if successful, the Trump DOJ will try to argue this absolute immunity line they have been voicing in interviews. Unless they get the most right wing judge, I do not think that will be successful. I think there is precedent, and there is some sort of reasonableness test but I defer to the litigators on the board.
 
Mundial said:
In my opinion

Minn. is not waiting on the Federal government or Congress to provide the facts. They are conducting their own investigation. If I had to bet, I suspect that the Minn. Attorney General will eventually bring charges of at least manslaughter under Minn. state law in Minn. State court. The Trump admin/DOJ will file a notice of removal in federal court. I think charges are more likely than not forthcoming.

I am not a litigator but I suspect that if successful, the Trump DOJ will try to argue this absolute immunity line they have been voicing in interviews. Unless they get the most right wing judge, I do not think that will be successful. I think there is precedent, and there is some sort of reasonableness test but I defer to the litigators on the board.
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If the courts are applying precedent faithfully, then he will not have immunity. The problem is that the highest court in the land does not apply precedent faithfully.

Regardless, this will be a challenging case for the prosecution. You just need one juror to hang, and I think it will be tough to get 12 to convict. But it is certainly a theoretically winnable case.
 
Calheel said:
If the courts are applying precedent faithfully, then he will not have immunity. The problem is that the highest court in the land does not apply precedent faithfully.

Regardless, this will be a challenging case for the prosecution. You just need one juror to hang, and I think it will be tough to get 12 to convict. But it is certainly a theoretically winnable case.
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If I am that ICE agent and the DOJ, I would do everything in my power to not let a jury see those videos. Every single one that I have seen is damning, including the one that Vance thought was dispositive. I actually think it had the opposite effect where it was unclear what actually happened to the officer and what he was seeing below the phone but it was VERY clear that someone called her the bad words, which indicates frustration and anger rather than terror. Add in the calm, cool and uninjured demeanor of the officer afterwards and the first major circulated video from the street, where it was pretty clear that he put himself in harms way, was not hit and stepped back, he appears to lean forward to get one shot in the front window and then steps aside and fires two rapid fire shots from the driver's side window, and it looks very, very bad in my view.

I would never want this to go to a jury if I was the admin. They get out of this on a legal argument of absolute immunity and the supremacy clause otherwise I think he has very bad odds. To put it another way, if you can get get virtual total consensus on releasing Epstein files in the house, I think that the chance of consensus on these videos and facts is high.
 
Mundial said:
If I am that ICE agent and the DOJ, I would do everything in my power to not let a jury see those videos. Every single one that I have seen is damning, including the one that Vance thought was dispositive. I actually think it had the opposite effect where it was unclear what actually happened to the officer and what he was seeing below the phone but it was VERY clear that someone called her the bad words, which indicates frustration and anger rather than terror. Add in the calm, cool and uninjured demeanor of the officer afterwards and the first major circulated video from the street, where it was pretty clear that he put himself in harms way, was not hit and stepped back, he appears to lean forward to get one shot in the front window and then steps aside and fires two rapid fire shots from the driver's side window, and it looks very, very bad in my view.

I would never want this to go to a jury if I was the admin. They get out of this on a legal argument of absolute immunity and the supremacy clause otherwise I think he has very bad odds. To put it another way, if you can get get virtual total consensus on releasing Epstein files in the house, I think that the chance of consensus on these videos and facts is high.
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That is how I see it, but I've talked to enough really smart, but conservative, people who see something totally different. And when you are dealing with 12 jurors, you are going to get some of those people.

The fucking bitch line, to me, shows animus. OTOH, he will argue that he said that because he perceived the woman as trying to hit him with the car.
 
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