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CFordUNC said:
This is way more rhetorical than actually inquisitive, but how in the world did we societally become so casually cruel? How did the social contract completely evaporate so easily? I know that some may believe that right wingers and conservatives have always been like what we are currently seeing in the aftermath of this tragedy in Minneapolis, but I don’t believe that to be actually true. I believe this is a new phenomenon. Ten years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 25 years ago, etc. most of the country, conservatives and liberals alike, would have been unified in their disgust and revulsion for 1. federal agents performing such a ghastly public summary execution of a soccer Mom in a minivan in broad daylight in the middle of the street, 2. with the president and the vice president of the United States gleefully mocking and celebrating it.
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We’ve become a society that is functionally immunized to death. Not just mass death, but death as such. We live inside a brutal empire that has killed hundreds of thousands abroad over the last few decades, mostly in our name, and that violence has been normalized to the point of background noise. Drone strikes, “collateral damage,” endless wars with no reckoning. Shrug, move on.

That habituation comes home. A violent society produces violent policies, and it produces people who stop feeling violence as morally shocking.

COVID was a mass death event that should have shattered something fundamental in our political culture. Instead, half the country shrugged, rationalized it, or treated preventable death as an acceptable cost of “normal life.” We never processed that. We never mourned collectively. We never drew a moral line and said this is not acceptable.

Layer on the war on drugs, the war on terror, mass surveillance, and the way “counterterrorism” became a catch-all justification for state violence, and you get what feels like a new phenomenon but isn’t: an imperial boomerang. The tools, language, and moral numbness forged abroad have come back inward.
 
Paine said:
We’ve become a society that is functionally immunized to death. Not just mass death, but death as such. We live inside a brutal empire that has killed hundreds of thousands abroad over the last few decades, mostly in our name, and that violence has been normalized to the point of background noise. Drone strikes, “collateral damage,” endless wars with no reckoning. Shrug, move on.

That habituation comes home. A violent society produces violent policies, and it produces people who stop feeling violence as morally shocking.

COVID was a mass death event that should have shattered something fundamental in our political culture. Instead, half the country shrugged, rationalized it, or treated preventable death as an acceptable cost of “normal life.” We never processed that. We never mourned collectively. We never drew a moral line and said this is not acceptable.

Layer on the war on drugs, the war on terror, mass surveillance, and the way “counterterrorism” became a catch-all justification for state violence, and you get what feels like a new phenomenon but isn’t: an imperial boomerang. The tools, language, and moral numbness forged abroad have come back inward.
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Man, I cannot tell you enough about how good it is to have you back on this board, brother. This place is so much better with you in it.
 
Don't buy the lie that "obstructing a lawful investigation" is an issue. Renee Good was not obstructing anything. She does not have to obey ICE orders, which were unlawful.

That's to say nothing of the obviously fatuous empirical claims, but don't let them frame the issue as they want. Renee Good did nothing wrong at all. NOTHING. She was completely, 100% within her rights to do what she did. This was straight up murder. The Vice-President should be indicted by Minnesota as an accomplice after the fact.
 
CFordUNC said:
This is way more rhetorical than actually inquisitive, but how in the world did we societally become so casually cruel? How did the social contract completely evaporate so easily? I know that some may believe that right wingers and conservatives have always been like what we are currently seeing in the aftermath of this tragedy in Minneapolis, but I don’t believe that to be actually true. I believe this is a new phenomenon. Ten years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 25 years ago, etc. most of the country, conservatives and liberals alike, would have been unified in their disgust and revulsion for 1. federal agents performing such a ghastly public summary execution of a soccer Mom in a minivan in broad daylight in the middle of the street, 2. with the president and the vice president of the United States gleefully mocking and celebrating it.
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Welcome to the world minorities have always lived in.
 
Paine said:
We’ve become a society that is functionally immunized to death. Not just mass death, but death as such. We live inside a brutal empire that has killed hundreds of thousands abroad over the last few decades, mostly in our name, and that violence has been normalized to the point of background noise. Drone strikes, “collateral damage,” endless wars with no reckoning. Shrug, move on.

That habituation comes home. A violent society produces violent policies, and it produces people who stop feeling violence as morally shocking.

COVID was a mass death event that should have shattered something fundamental in our political culture. Instead, half the country shrugged, rationalized it, or treated preventable death as an acceptable cost of “normal life.” We never processed that. We never mourned collectively. We never drew a moral line and said this is not acceptable.

Layer on the war on drugs, the war on terror, mass surveillance, and the way “counterterrorism” became a catch-all justification for state violence, and you get what feels like a new phenomenon but isn’t: an imperial boomerang. The tools, language, and moral numbness forged abroad have come back inward.
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There are a few nits I could pick, but let me focus on one and I doubt you will mind:

Hundreds of thousands is an undercount. If we are going back decades, millions. There were almost a million Vietnamese casualties in the Vietnam war alone, IIRC.
 
CFordUNC said:
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Yeah, but don't you understand that American domestic terrorists hide behind the disguise of being stay at home moms with young children and pretending to be apolitical ?

With that cover they can go undetected and spring into action when the time is right for a domestic terrorist attack...duh
 
Hope there are mass protests in MN and all over the country over this shooting and Trump and company trying to cover it up and put the blame on the victim. It is sickening they are trying to defend ICE with this and trying to cover it up like we're North Korea instead of the United States. They are just going around and profiling anyone that doesn't look white, not going after actual criminals. They are arresting US citizens because of the color of their skin. And now they are just shooting and killing anyone they don't like even though legally they have no standing to arrest someone on anything that isn't related to immigration.
 
MOUNTAINH33L said:
I'm not saying you're wrong here, but I find it to be quite the opposite from my own personal experience and perspective. I play first person shooters to relieve stress. Killing random players on the virtual battlefield helps me decompress and blow off a little steam.

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Right, but isn't that the issue? You are killing people on the virtual battlefield to blow off a little steam. You are using aggression against other people as a palliative for your own troubles. I'm not saying you're wrong to do so -- I mean, it's not as if your choice to play or not play will change what others do -- but I think we have to acknowledge how these things build up. When people use virtual killings to make them feel better, maybe other killings could follow? Use enough pain killers, and the door to shooting heroin opens.

They don't build up over a few months. Not over a year. Not necessarily in everyone (probably not in you at all). But sum over all decades and all people, and little things like this can make for a violent society.

And of course there's also the usual suspect, which is far more relevant but also talked about to death, is the constant refrain from right-wing media voices that Dems are traitors who deserve the death penalty.
 


"Aimed her car". BY TURNING THE WHEELS AWAY FROM THE SHOOTER???
"Pressed on the accelerator" YEAH BECAUSE HER HEAD WAS BLOWN OFF HER BODY
"Nobody debates that." EVERY GODDAMN PERSON WITH TWO EYES AND A FUCKING BRAIN SEES OTHERWISE IN THE FOOTAGE.

This grotesque piece of vermin slime is the Vice President of the United States. God fucking damn us.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
They were returning fire after one of them was shot and nearly killed. It wasn’t like they just opened up on a random building for no reason.
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First of all, I believe no one has ever determined whether the officer who was grazed by a shot was hit by his colleagues or someone else/

And...what happened before that? You know, the part where officers illegally obtained a no-knock warrant?
 
Complete bullshit. We saw what happened. She didn't have to comply with them. They tried to stop her illegally and tried to open her door. She was just trying to get away, and some pussy in a mask shot at her from beside the car, not in front of it, because she didn't respect his make believe authority.
 
rodoheel said:
First of all, I believe no one has ever determined whether the officer who was grazed by a shot was hit by his colleagues or someone else/

And...what happened before that? You know, the part where officers illegally obtained a no-knock warrant?
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Let's take this to another thread. I already said too much. This isn't about Louisville, and there's no sense picking an internecine battle now.
 
superrific said:
Don't ever accuse anyone of being impolite, lol. I know you don't. You're fully aware that you shit post. And this one is funny, I'll give you that.
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I know it, I need to show better restraint. My emotions get the better of me in situations like this and I wish it were not so.
 
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