—> ICE / Immigration |

[superrific]

Strange that newly elected Presidents can implement executive orders almost on Day 1, but it took years for Biden.

Trump issued executive orders. He did not implement them. Most of them are being invalidated because they didn't follow the proper procedures.

In case after case, Trump policies are being struck down as arbitrary and capricious. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any of his executive orders that:

A. purported to change law or policy in some way;
B. has been upheld in court on its merits.

To the extent that they have not been invalidated, it has only been on jurisdictional grounds (i.e. plaintiffs suing under the "wrong" provisions of the US code).

Good bye, you're not baiting me any further.

 

[finesse]

The issues at the southern border were well documented. If you want to get bogged down in semantics, I can't help you.

When that documentation is hearsay and bullshit originating from the right I feel justified in ignoring it. Try something with the real numbers of "illegals" and the actual damage done.

 

[Jetson]

The immigration process is working all the time. We allow people across the southern border. We allow people the enter the country on various types of visas. People sometimes voluntarily leave the US and some people are forcibly removed from the US when they shouldn't be here.

The fact that those wheels are turning constantly doesn't change what was allowed to happen for 3.5 years at the southern border. The Biden admin waited until June of 2024 to finally put a daily limit on the number of southern border crossings. At that point, the "crisis" at the southern border was well documented.

You know what would have enabled, legally, by law, a limit on entries at times of a "surge", which is what happened in 2020-2022? The border bill that Trump had killed. Why? Because he wanted to keep using the word "crisis" so dumbfucks like you would lap it up and repeat it, just like you did here. Good job.

Keep shifting those goal posts.

And how many? You said 7-8 million entered. How many repatriations??

 

[ZenMode]

When that documentation is hearsay and bullshit originating from the right I feel justified in ignoring it. Try something with the real numbers of "illegals" and the actual damage done.

Again, this was covered thoroughly, in writing and on their TV broadcast, by CNN and other non-right outlets.

Link

CNN reports on a sustained "border crisis" characterized by record-high migrant encounters at the U.S.-Mexico border, straining immigration resources and sparking intense political debate. The surge involves migrants from numerous countries, leading to near-breaking points for border officials, policy shifts under the Biden administration to speed up deportations, and significant scrutiny over security, as noted in this CNN article.
CNN +4
Key Aspects of the Border Crisis (CNN Coverage):

• Surge in Encounters: Migrant encounters hit record numbers in late 2023, with thousands crossing daily, overwhelming infrastructure, reported in this CNN article.
• Causes: Multiple factors are cited, including economic instability and violence in home countries, along with high labor demand in the U.S., according to this CNN article and this Cato Institute article.
• Policy Responses: The Biden administration implemented stricter asylum rules to speed up removals, leading to a temporary decline in encounters, detailed in this CNN article and this CNN article.
• Political Tension: The crisis has become a major political vulnerability for the Biden administration, with Republican criticism focused on border security, as seen in this CNN article and this CNN article.
• State Intervention: Texas has taken independent action, such as seizing parks and installing barriers, leading to conflicts with federal authorities, reported in this CNN article.
  CNN +6

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/03/world/us-mexico-border-cnnphotos/

 

[ZenMode]

You know what would have enabled, legally, by law, a limit on entries at times of a "surge", which is what happened in 2020-2022? The border bill that Trump had killed.

Yep, it sure would have. Trump's actions related to the bill did not mean that Biden had to wait 3.5 years to take action.

Why? Because he wanted to keep using the word "crisis" so dumbfucks like you would lap it up and repeat it, just like you did here. Good job.

You going to include CNN?

Keep shifting those goal posts.

I didn't shift anything.

And how many? You said 7-8 million entered. How many repatriations??

About 2.6 million between '21 and '23. '24 doesn't have data.

DHS Repatriations

Key Homeland Security Metric (KHSM) on DHS repatriations. Repatriation is when DHS sends an alien back to their country of citizenship or a third country.

ohss.dhs.gov

 

[finesse]

Still don't see anything about it damaging America. They also missed at least one cause. The pandemic limits placed on immigration legally had to be removed. It wasn't a choice but part of the law.

 

[donbosco]

Completely manufactured "crisis."

Republican bullshit all along.

It has been effective though.

Dishonest, racist, and Un-American too.

 

[Jetson]

So the "crisis" was a surge in encounters? Wow, thanks for the groundbreaking info.

Yep, it sure would have. Trump's actions related to the bill did not mean that Biden had to wait 3.5 years to take action.

You going to include CNN?

I didn't shift anything.

About 2.6 million between '21 and '23. '24 doesn't have data.

DHS Repatriations

Key Homeland Security Metric (KHSM) on DHS repatriations. Repatriation is when DHS sends an alien back to their country of citizenship or a third country.

ohss.dhs.gov

Over 4 million. There is data:

DHS Repatriations

Key Homeland Security Metric (KHSM) on DHS repatriations. Repatriation is when DHS sends an alien back to their country of citizenship or a third country.

ohss.dhs.gov

So roughly half of what you said was 8 million entering in those 4 years? But Biden "waited to do something"? Explain that please.

If you actually have a clue about immigration and the issues around it, you'll be able to present a coherent point in response. But since Trumpiots don't do nuance and details, and you don't have a clue besides repeating talking points, my guess is you won't have shit to say outside of your usual drivel.

 

[Jetson]

Yep, it sure would have. Trump's actions related to the bill did not mean that Biden had to wait 3.5 years to take action.

You going to include CNN?

I didn't shift anything.

About 2.6 million between '21 and '23. '24 doesn't have data.

DHS Repatriations

Key Homeland Security Metric (KHSM) on DHS repatriations. Repatriation is when DHS sends an alien back to their country of citizenship or a third country.

ohss.dhs.gov

Actually, I see you don't have a clue how to read a fucking chart, since I didn't notice your link was the same as mine.. ALL of them are repatriations! But you DO know how to use google, that's a good start! Congrats!

Next google: "Do undocumented immigrants commit crimes at higher or lower rates than US citizens". I'll get you started, but I won't do your homework for you.

Show your work!!

 

[Gmonet]

I for one welcome the 'crisis' of hard working people helping to grow our economy and forestall the population decline that is undoing large swaths of the industrialized world.

You must prefer the 'Golden age' policies that are currently taking a wrecking ball to this country.

 

[ZenMode]

So the "crisis" was a surge in encounters? Wow, thanks for the groundbreaking info.

Over 4 million. There is data:

DHS Repatriations

Key Homeland Security Metric (KHSM) on DHS repatriations. Repatriation is when DHS sends an alien back to their country of citizenship or a third country.

ohss.dhs.gov

So roughly half of what you said was 8 million entering in those 4 years? But Biden "waited to do something"? Explain that please.

If you actually have a clue about immigration and the issues around it, you'll be able to present a coherent point in response. But since Trumpiots don't do nuance and details, and you don't have a clue besides repeating talking points, my guess is you won't have shit to say outside of your usual drivel.

The net amount isn't really the point. It was the inaction for 3.5 years and how that inaction was perceived.

 

[donbosco]

The perception does certainly override the reality.

 

[Jetson]

The net amount isn't really the point. It was the inaction for 3.5 years and how that inaction was perceived.

Oh, it's perception now!!?



Yes, perception is definitely maga's reality, I'll give you that, it's actually a solid argument!

I tried to give you a clue, you weren't smart enough to take it.

But back to reality, you know, where the rest of earth lives...How is repatriating ~3 million people "inaction".

Show your work please....

 

[donbosco]

Eddie Bernays would be proud of the trumpists

 

[BillOfRights]

 

[korgguy1971]

If true, what a despicable, awful woman and I wish nothing but the worst for her.

It's an unpleasant truth but it's time to face it. And that is that there are a lot more American citizens among us - more than we might want to believe - who are simply terrible people who have been emboldened in the age of Trumpism to be who they always were deep down. Somewhere around 77,302,580 of them to be exact.

 

[ZenMode]

Oh, it's perception now!!?

There is no "now". Perception is always a factor and what happened at the border, under Biden, wasn't normal by southern border standards, which is why it was covered by news outlets like CNN.

Yes, perception is definitely maga's reality, I'll give you that, it's actually a solid argument!

I tried to give you a clue, you weren't smart enough to take it.

You gave me a clue that wasn't related to the topic which is the border crisis and the fact that the Biden admin waited 3.5 years to do anything about it.

But back to reality, you know, where the rest of earth lives...How is repatriating ~3 million people "inaction".

Show your work please....

Because repatriation changed nothing about what was happening for ~ 3 years at the border, the number of asylum seekers being allowed into the country and Biden's unwillingness to do something before we got close to the presidential election.

He could have put a daily limit of 1500, in addition to other restrictions, in 2021... or 2022... or 2023. He chose to wait until June of 2024.

 

[finesse]

There is no "now". Perception is always a factor and what happened at the border, under Biden, wasn't normal by southern border standards, which is why it was covered by news outlets like CNN.

You gave me a clue that wasn't related to the topic which is the border crisis and the fact that the Biden admin waited 3.5 years to do anything about it.

Because repatriation changed nothing about what was happening for ~ 3 years at the border, the number of asylum seekers being allowed into the country and Biden's unwillingness to do something before we got close to the presidential election.

He could have put a daily limit of 1500 in 2021... or 2022... or 2023.

Are you ever going to attempt to show the need to do anything? Like most immigration laws in America, this is racially motivated.

That and horses were brought back to America.

 

[hedge]

Eddie Bernays would be proud of the trumpists

Dude died at age 103...

 

[Jetson]

There is no "now". Perception is always a factor and what happened at the border, under Biden, wasn't normal by southern border standards, which is why it was covered by news outlets like CNN.

You gave me a clue that wasn't related to the topic which is the border crisis and the fact that the Biden admin waited 3.5 years to do anything about it.

Because repatriation changed nothing about what was happening for ~ 3 years at the border, the number of asylum seekers being allowed into the country and Biden's unwillingness to do something before we got close to the presidential election.

He could have put a daily limit of 1500, in addition to other restrictions, in 2021... or 2022... or 2023. He chose to wait until June of 2024.

Is reality not a factor? Because the reality is that about 1 million people per year were being removed. Yes, maga dipshit perception was a factor, I already conceded that point. Y'all don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so perception is all you have. Alternative facts, etc. That's it.

The clue you almost picked up on in the chart is absolutely related to the topic, but since you don't actually know anything, you missed it.

What is the different between a daily limit and increasing removals to numbers way above Trump's first term?

Also, what could a reason be for not increasing the daily limit? Well, there was a bipartisan border bill, which I've already mentioned, making it's way through Congress which would have given the ability to shut the border down during a surge. It was a republican wish list of immigration items over the last 10 years. And an actual fucking law is a lot better than an Executive order. It looked like it was going to pass, until Trump killed it so he could appear to morons like you.

Once the bill was dumped (and something else happened), there weren't other options.

I bet you can't give a straight answer as to what your issues were with the border bill, other than Trump killing it, because you can't think for yourself...