IEDs thrown at anti-Islam/ anti-Mandami rally @ Gracie Mansion

[ZenMode]

Even if we take your wild stretch of an interpretation at face value (and I don't), there is still no portrayal of the bombers as victims on the Mayor's part. At worst, you are saying the Mayor did not sufficiently call them out for being Islamic extremists (he certainly called out their actions). So what?

You are not arguing in good faith here.

The position I'm taking may not be one that you have considered, but it's not in bad faith. I believe this is the byproduct of a common way of thinking by many liberals. That way of thinking is something like a hierarchy of victimhood or The need to label each party as oppressed and oppressor and the more liberal one is, the more likely they are to think this way.

In no way do I believe this was an accident by Mamdani and is precisely why he first calls out the people on one side and the action on the other.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

The position I'm taking may not be one that you have considered, but it's not in bad faith. I believe this is the byproduct of a common way of thinking by many liberals. That way of thinking is something like a hierarchy of victimhood or The need to label each party as oppressed and oppressor and the more liberal one is, the more likely they are to think this way.

In no way do I believe this was an accident by Mamdani and is precisely why he first calls out the people on one side and the action on the other.

You are mad at the Mayor for giving a chronological account of what happened? How DARE he!!!!

Let's be real: You don't like the Mayor because he's Muslim and you have a thing against Muslims. We've all seen it. Just be honest like your fellow GOPers are. At least they have a spine.

 

[ZenMode]

You are mad at the Mayor for giving a chronological account of what happened? How DARE he!!!!

I have absolutely no issue with the mayor giving a chronological account. That's not all that he did.

Let's be real: You don't like the Mayor because he's Muslim and you have a thing against Muslims. We've all seen it. Just be honest like your fellow GOPers are. At least they have a spine.

And there it is...right on schedule.

When all else fails, call them racist.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

I have absolutely no issue with the mayor giving a chronological account. That's not all that he did.

And there it is...right on schedule.

When all else fails, call them racist.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....

You are literally going after the mayor of NYC for condemning an act of terrorism because he didn't use it as an opportunity to bash Muslims.

 

[ZenMode]

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....

You are literally going after the mayor of NYC for condemning an act of terrorism because he didn't use it as an opportunity to bash Muslims.

I'm going after the mayor of New York because he specifically attacked one side personally and attacked only the actions on the other side. It's just so happens that the actions he referenced were by Muslim extremist. Why didn't he call them out personally?

 

[CFordUNC]

I have absolutely no issue with the mayor giving a chronological account. That's not all that he did.

And there it is...right on schedule.

When all else fails, call them racist.

I don't think he's calling you racist. I think he's simply saying that you have a very well documented posting history of demonstrating anti-Muslim sentiment, siding with those who express anti-Muslim sentiment, and/or extrapolating the deviant behavior of individuals or groups to an entire demographic of people.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

I'm going after the mayor of New York because he specifically attacked one side personally and attacked only the actions on the other side. It's just so happens that the actions he referenced were by Muslim extremist. Why didn't he call them out personally?

From Mamdani's press conference:

"Two men - Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi - traveled from Pennsylvania and attempted to bring violence to New York City. They are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism. There is video of these men throwing two devices towards the protesters. The NYPD has determined that these were improvised explosive devices, made to injure, maim, or worse."

He says that right after he spends time defending the right of the anti-Muslim bigots to protest peacefully and safely.

So what were you saying, again?

 

[finesse]

I'm going after the mayor of New York because he specifically attacked one side personally and attacked only the actions on the other side. It's just so happens that the actions he referenced were by Muslim extremist. Why didn't he call them out personally?

How much did he know when he made these comments? Not suspect but know. The others were a known quantity. It was obviously more than you still know but was it enough to make unsupported accusations? Most honest people would avoid that.

 

[ZenMode]

From Mamdani's press conference:

"Two men - Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi - traveled from Pennsylvania and attempted to bring violence to New York City. They are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism. There is video of these men throwing two devices towards the protesters. The NYPD has determined that these were improvised explosive devices, made to injure, maim, or worse."

He says that right after he spends time defending the right of the anti-Muslim bigots to protest peacefully and safely.

So what were you saying, again?

Here was the original quote and your newer quote. I don't remember which order they were spoken, so I'm guessing.

The Mayor said in his statement:

"Yesterday, white supremacist Jake Lang organized a protest outside Gracie Mansion rooted in bigotry and racism. Such hate has no place in New York City. It is an affront to our city's values and the unity that defines who we are."

"What followed was even more disturbing. Violence at a protest is never acceptable. The attempt to use an explosive device and hurt others is not only criminal, it is reprehensible and the anthesis of who we are. Two men - Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi - traveled from Pennsylvania and attempted to bring violence to New York City. They are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism. There is video of these men throwing two devices towards the protesters. The NYPD has determined that these were improvised explosive devices, made to injure, maim, or worse."

So, my complaint is that it's "white supremacist Jake Lang" vs "Two men..... who are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism".

I don't believe this was an accident. It should have been 'white supremacist Jake Long" and "Islamic terrorist (Muslim extremists) Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi."

In no way do I believe the wording was an accident.

 

[Enigma94]

Poor white supremacists can never catch a break.

 

[theel4life]

You are mad at the Mayor for giving a chronological account of what happened? How DARE he!!!!

Let's be real: You don't like the Mayor because he's Muslim and you have a thing against Muslims. We've all seen it. Just be honest like your fellow GOPers are. At least they have a spine.

 

[duluoz]

How much did he know when he made these comments? Not suspect but know. The others were a known quantity. It was obviously more than you still know but was it enough to make unsupported accusations? Most honest people would avoid that.

His little game of semantics outrage falls apart because he doesn’t know exactly what Mamdani knew at the time he made the initial comments.

Yet in his own mind, it was a calculated imbalance of reaction.

Super already answered this throughly pages ago:

1. If you weren't such a dipshit, you'd know that it's SOP for a mayor NOT to potentially poison the jury pool against a criminal defendant. So he should not have named them if he wanted to make the point that the violence was real.

Plus, their ISIS ties were established during the interrogation. It is unclear if the mayor knew that at the time of his first statement (doubtful that he did).

2. I didn't have any trouble following the logic. What followed = not part of the protest. Violence *at* a protest implies something brought in from outside.

It's true that he could have been clearer. But he was very clear today, when he and the NYPD held a press conference describing it as ISIS related violence.

3. Again, you hold liberals to a completely different standard. I mean, you yourself won't even acknowledge the white supremacy problem in your party. You were earlier contesting that Jake Lang was a white supremacist.

If you want rank racism, check out that FIU Republican chat.

 

[StrangePackage]

Here was the original quote and your newer quote. I don't remember which order they were spoken, so I'm guessing.

The Mayor said in his statement:

"Yesterday, white supremacist Jake Lang organized a protest outside Gracie Mansion rooted in bigotry and racism. Such hate has no place in New York City. It is an affront to our city's values and the unity that defines who we are."

"What followed was even more disturbing. Violence at a protest is never acceptable. The attempt to use an explosive device and hurt others is not only criminal, it is reprehensible and the anthesis of who we are. Two men - Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi - traveled from Pennsylvania and attempted to bring violence to New York City. They are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism. There is video of these men throwing two devices towards the protesters. The NYPD has determined that these were improvised explosive devices, made to injure, maim, or worse."

So, my complaint is that it's "white supremacist Jake Lang" vs "Two men..... who are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism".

I don't believe this was an accident. It should have been 'white supremacist Jake Long" and "Islamic terrorist (Muslim extremists) Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi."

In no way do I believe the wording was an accident.

At the time of the statement, the motivation for the protest was known - overt racist prejudice - and the motive for the IEDs was not. He still identified it and condemned it as a planned potential terrorist action.

 

[Ramrouser]

From Mamdani's press conference:

"Two men - Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi - traveled from Pennsylvania and attempted to bring violence to New York City. They are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism. There is video of these men throwing two devices towards the protesters. The NYPD has determined that these were improvised explosive devices, made to injure, maim, or worse."

He says that right after he spends time defending the right of the anti-Muslim bigots to protest peacefully and safely.

So what were you saying, again?

Wow, Mamdani finally got around to naming the terrorists so, according to Super, that makes him a dipshit for naming the suspects.

 

[Captain Bo Sides]

Magas losing their minds because a muslim man is more intelligent, charasmatic, sucessful and representative of our American values then they ever will be is something to behold.

its like Mamdani moved into Obama's rent free room in their heads added a weight room and started taking steriods.

 

[NCK9]

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Here was the original quote and your newer quote. I don't remember which order they were spoken, so I'm guessing.

The Mayor said in his statement:

"Yesterday, white supremacist Jake Lang organized a protest outside Gracie Mansion rooted in bigotry and racism. Such hate has no place in New York City. It is an affront to our city's values and the unity that defines who we are."

"What followed was even more disturbing. Violence at a protest is never acceptable. The attempt to use an explosive device and hurt others is not only criminal, it is reprehensible and the anthesis of who we are. Two men - Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi - traveled from Pennsylvania and attempted to bring violence to New York City. They are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism. There is video of these men throwing two devices towards the protesters. The NYPD has determined that these were improvised explosive devices, made to injure, maim, or worse."

So, my complaint is that it's "white supremacist Jake Lang" vs "Two men..... who are suspected of coming here to commit an act of terrorism".

I don't believe this was an accident. It should have been 'white supremacist Jake Long" and "Islamic terrorist (Muslim extremists) Amir Bolat and Ibrahim Kaloubi."

In no way do I believe the wording was an accident.

That's fair. You are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, in no way do I believe that your hypercriticism of Mamandi's language is an accident. I believe it has everything to do with you being uniquely sensitive to the fact that a white supremacist was called out by a Muslim man.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

At the time of the statement, the motivation for the protest was known - overt racist prejudice - and the motive for the IEDs was not. He still identified it and condemned it as a planned potential terrorist action.

No, you see....the only thing that would make people like Zen happy would be for Mamdani to publicly fall on his knees, renounce Islam, and voluntarily deport himself. America is not for people like him....right?

 

[ZenMode]

No, you see....the only thing that would make people like Zen happy would be for Mamdani to publicly fall on his knees, renounce Islam, and voluntarily deport himself. America is not for people like him....right?

Funny.... I have no issue with Islam any more than I have an issue with Christianity, Buddhism, etc. They're all silly, but not inherently dangerous.

Fundamentalist/extremism is the issue.

 

[superrific]

Wow, Mamdani finally got around to naming the terrorists so, according to Super, that makes him a dipshit for naming the suspects.

They are facing federal charges now. That's where they will be tried. More importantly, the mayor was able to recite a factual narrative. That also makes a difference.

If you just jump the gun, ram-style, here are some things that can happen:

1. You are wrong about their identities, and then you slander two men;
2. You get some facts wrong; that could be used to create reasonable doubt.
3. You don't get facts wrong, but your fact-free narrative is factually useless and could support a change of venue petition.

Very little is gained by jumping the gun and naming them prior to having a fully understood factual narrative about what occurred. And it's not the mayor of NYC's job to indulge your petty concerns. His job is actually not to "name the bad guys" to your satisfaction.