If 2016 would have been different

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aGDevil2k said:
I think we would have a GOP president currently (I dont think she would have been re-elected). BUT Roe would be here. The SCOTUS would look insanely different, etc.
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That's assuming the Republicans would have voted on any of Hillary's supreme Court nominees
 
aGDevil2k said:
I think we would have a GOP president currently (I dont think she would have been re-elected). BUT Roe would be here. The SCOTUS would look insanely different, etc.
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Unfortunately, the SCOTUS matters the most.

Winning this year does offer a hope of a turnaround. Alito and Thomas are old and compromised. Their retirement would change things a bit. Kavanaugh, considering the coverup during the nomination is potentially compromised, so that can be rectified. I'm not sure that people understand that without a win this year, it's going to be screwed up for literally decades.
 
If Harris wins, Alito and Thomas won’t retire. They’ll bet on staying alive 4 more years when Harris would probably lose reelection (just can’t see the Dems winning 3 elections in a row unless Trump is the nominee AGAIN - and he very well could be).
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
If Harris wins, Alito and Thomas won’t retire. They’ll bet on staying alive 4 more years when Harris would probably lose reelection (just can’t see the Dems winning 3 elections in a row unless Trump is the nominee AGAIN - and he very well could be).
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If she wins, she will win reelection. An incumbent president would have to be woefully incompetent/negligent to lose a reelection campaign. (see Trump) It just doesn't happen.
 
I guess you missed this. An incumbent president would have to be woefully incompetent/negligent to lose a reelection campaign. Unless you think she will be either of those two, there is no reason to think she will lose a reelection bid. And if you DO feel that way, you're not voting for her anyway.
 
I’m definitely with @dukeman92, if Harris wins this one, unless she is a colossal failure as president, which seems unlikely, she’s probably winning again in 2028. Until or unless the Republican party relegates MAGA back to the fringes of the far right, they are going to have difficulty winning general elections.
 
dukeman92 said:
I guess you missed this. An incumbent president would have to be woefully incompetent/negligent to lose a reelection campaign. Unless you think she will be either of those two, there is no reason to think she will lose a reelection bid. And if you DO feel that way, you're not voting for her anyway.
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Do you know the term result merchant? You overstate the case against Ford and misstate the case against Carter. Since that makes 4 in 50 years that lost, just admit you had a bit of hyperbole. We all do sometimes.
 
finesse said:
Do you know the term result merchant? You overstate the case against Ford and misstate the case against Carter. Since that makes 4 in 50 years that lost, just admit you had a bit of hyperbole. We all do sometimes.
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There was no hyperbole in my statement but there was plenty of conjecture in yours.
 
I could see a scenario where she wins and isn’t able to govern, leading to a reelection loss.

Something like Republicans take the Senate, stymie her agenda, and then they run the playbook of “look how bad things are, she hasn’t done anything” blah blah blah.
 
Good question...

Where would we be today if Gore had won in 2000 (he won the popular vote )
and Hillary had won in 2016 ( she won the popular vote) ?

No Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch ,Kavanaugh, and ACB on SCOTUS
No IRAQ War
No Great Recession
No bungled Covid pandemic
 
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heelinhell said:
Good question...

Where would we be today if Gore had won in 2000 (he won the popular vote )
and Hillary had won in 2016 ( she won the popular vote) ?

No Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch ,Kavanaugh, and ACB on SCOTUS
No IRAQ War
No Great Recession
No bungled Covid pandemic
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I think the 2000 question is the really interesting one. Not only was that election incredibly close, but you can point something— butterfly ballots— to suggest that Gore very well may have won if not for that. And I think had Gore won, it would have altered the course of American history.
 
dukeman92 said:
If she wins, she will win reelection. An incumbent president would have to be woefully incompetent/negligent to lose a reelection campaign. (see Trump) It just doesn't happen.
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I think the difference here is that it would have been three straight terms of having a democratic President. Modern history has shown that Americans don’t like for the same party to be in the White House for that many back-to-back terms. Neither party has been able to remain in the White House for more than three straight terms since Truman left office, and the same party has lasted in the White House for three straight terms only once since then. So I think there’s a very good chance she doesn’t get re-elected for a second term.
 
dukeman92 said:
There was no hyperbole in my statement but there was plenty of conjecture in yours.
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I beg your pardon. I was a full grown adult with a family and a business during all of those. Conjecture on my part doesn't exist. I might be in the minority in my opinion but I have real life experience and I am not the one ignorant of what really happened. What were you doing,then?
 
Icky Mettle said:
I think the 2000 question is the really interesting one. Not only was that election incredibly close, but you can point something— butterfly ballots— to suggest that Gore very well may have won if not for that. And I think had Gore won, it would have altered the course of American history.
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I suggest you look at the voter purge the summer before for the real damage. Imagine this happening in an election in a third world election where a disputed province governed by the brother of one of the candidates delivered the winning margin after this. What would public opinion be?

www.latimes.com

Florida Net Too Wide in Purge of Voter Rolls

Politics: Thousands were wrongfully called felons. Errors may have affected presidential election.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
aGDevil2k said:
I think we would have a GOP president currently (I dont think she would have been re-elected). BUT Roe would be here. The SCOTUS would look insanely different, etc.
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I don’t think any way Hillary Clinton would have won reelection. I think the republican response to Covid, and particularly her measures to mitigate it, would have been absolutely detestable.
I think the supreme court would look different. But I am also assuming 1) kennedy wouldn’t have retired and 2) the republicans would have expanded the supreme court during the last 4 years

I think the biggest thing is would Trump have gone away?
 
TitanNC said:
If Clinton had won in 2016 we would have handled Covid exponentially better than it was under Trump and the following economy would have been better. Obviously, the SC would look different and Roe would have been protected.

I do think we would still be in Afghanistan. And I do think Bill would would have done something stupid that would have caused issues for her administration.
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I don't follow either thread of your last paragraph. We'd worn out our welcome in Afghanistan, regardless of who was president. Bill's not exactly unnoticed these days, so I'm not sure why he'd have been more scandal prone than he was in that time span
 
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