theel4life
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Where would we be today and how would the country be different if Hilary would have won in 2016?
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That's assuming the Republicans would have voted on any of Hillary's supreme Court nomineesI think we would have a GOP president currently (I dont think she would have been re-elected). BUT Roe would be here. The SCOTUS would look insanely different, etc.
Unfortunately, the SCOTUS matters the most.I think we would have a GOP president currently (I dont think she would have been re-elected). BUT Roe would be here. The SCOTUS would look insanely different, etc.
If Harris wins, Alito and Thomas won’t retire. They’ll bet on staying alive 4 more years when Harris would probably lose reelection (just can’t see the Dems winning 3 elections in a row unless Trump is the nominee AGAIN - and he very well could be).
Do you know the term result merchant? You overstate the case against Ford and misstate the case against Carter. Since that makes 4 in 50 years that lost, just admit you had a bit of hyperbole. We all do sometimes.I guess you missed this. An incumbent president would have to be woefully incompetent/negligent to lose a reelection campaign. Unless you think she will be either of those two, there is no reason to think she will lose a reelection bid. And if you DO feel that way, you're not voting for her anyway.
Do you know the term result merchant? You overstate the case against Ford and misstate the case against Carter. Since that makes 4 in 50 years that lost, just admit you had a bit of hyperbole. We all do sometimes.
I think the 2000 question is the really interesting one. Not only was that election incredibly close, but you can point something— butterfly ballots— to suggest that Gore very well may have won if not for that. And I think had Gore won, it would have altered the course of American history.Good question...
Where would we be today if Gore had won in 2000 (he won the popular vote )
and Hillary had won in 2016 ( she won the popular vote) ?
No Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch ,Kavanaugh, and ACB on SCOTUS
No IRAQ War
No Great Recession
No bungled Covid pandemic
I think the difference here is that it would have been three straight terms of having a democratic President. Modern history has shown that Americans don’t like for the same party to be in the White House for that many back-to-back terms. Neither party has been able to remain in the White House for more than three straight terms since Truman left office, and the same party has lasted in the White House for three straight terms only once since then. So I think there’s a very good chance she doesn’t get re-elected for a second term.If she wins, she will win reelection. An incumbent president would have to be woefully incompetent/negligent to lose a reelection campaign. (see Trump) It just doesn't happen.
I beg your pardon. I was a full grown adult with a family and a business during all of those. Conjecture on my part doesn't exist. I might be in the minority in my opinion but I have real life experience and I am not the one ignorant of what really happened. What were you doing,then?There was no hyperbole in my statement but there was plenty of conjecture in yours.
I suggest you look at the voter purge the summer before for the real damage. Imagine this happening in an election in a third world election where a disputed province governed by the brother of one of the candidates delivered the winning margin after this. What would public opinion be?I think the 2000 question is the really interesting one. Not only was that election incredibly close, but you can point something— butterfly ballots— to suggest that Gore very well may have won if not for that. And I think had Gore won, it would have altered the course of American history.
I don’t think any way Hillary Clinton would have won reelection. I think the republican response to Covid, and particularly her measures to mitigate it, would have been absolutely detestable.I think we would have a GOP president currently (I dont think she would have been re-elected). BUT Roe would be here. The SCOTUS would look insanely different, etc.
I don't follow either thread of your last paragraph. We'd worn out our welcome in Afghanistan, regardless of who was president. Bill's not exactly unnoticed these days, so I'm not sure why he'd have been more scandal prone than he was in that time spanIf Clinton had won in 2016 we would have handled Covid exponentially better than it was under Trump and the following economy would have been better. Obviously, the SC would look different and Roe would have been protected.
I do think we would still be in Afghanistan. And I do think Bill would would have done something stupid that would have caused issues for her administration.