If You Were EVER a Republican...WHY? Part Two: What role did Carolina play in your leaving behind the GOP?

lawtig02 said:
When people of faith look beyond dogma and examine the world as it actually exists, and their ancient wisdom teachings, they're highly likely to abandon the GOP.
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Hmm, interesting. My impression is that faith (Christian at least) often, but not always, drives people towards the Republican Party, such as the evangelicals and some Catholics (e.g., Ross Douthat of the NYT, the Supreme Court justices, etc.), although Catholics used to be mostly left-leaning. I grew up Catholic, but my Catholic Dad was a right-winger.
 
Bobfripp said:
Hmm, interesting. My impression is that faith (Christian at least) often, but not always, drives people towards the Republican Party, such as the evangelicals and some Catholics (e.g., Ross Douthat of the NYT, the Supreme Court justices, etc.), although Catholics used to be mostly left-leaning. I grew up Catholic, but my Catholic Dad was a right-winger.
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I may be wrong, but I think you're equating faith with stasis.
 
Bobfripp said:
Hmm, interesting. My impression is that faith (Christian at least) often, but not always, drives people towards the Republican Party, such as the evangelicals and some Catholics (e.g., Ross Douthat of the NYT, the Supreme Court justices, etc.), although Catholics used to be mostly left-leaning. I grew up Catholic, but my Catholic Dad was a right-winger.
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Despite whatever claims they might make, evangelicals pay only cursory attention to the Bible and when they do Paul, Revelation and the OT get far more attention than Jesus.
 
ChileG said:
I wasn’t a very political person the first time I voted, though generally aware of what was going on in the world. But very middle of the road.
I was for gay rights my whole life, and believed money put to public education was an investment in our future. But not a strong liberal lean otherwise.
Anyway, it was kind of a coin flip for me and I can’t remember why exactly I registered as republican but from then until 2004 I voted roughly 50/50.
Have been unaffiliated since 2004 and haven’t voted for a republican since. I don’t think I have changed much in my political beliefs since the early 90s except regarding healthcare, but the Republican Party doesn’t at all represent what I liked about them previously.
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"but the Republican Party doesn’t at all represent what I liked about them previously."

Which was?
 
ChileG said:
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fiscal responsibility and limited involvement in people’s personal decisions, two name two.
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The only problem was that they always lied about both. Iirc, the only involvement on people's personal decisions Dems were ever involved in was insisting that people had to respect other people's rights. All the prohibitions on strictly personal actions like abortion, drugs, contraception, sexual mores and such are generally conservative driven and always have been. And don't get me started on who owns the national debt and most of the bad economies over the last 50 years.
 
ChileG said:
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fiscal responsibility and limited involvement in people’s personal decisions, two name two.
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I would think there has to be more than that. Dims aren't fiscally responsible either so you jump to the side you felt was less fiscally responsible because your side became fiscally irresponsible?
 
finesse said:
The only problem was that they always lied about both. Iirc, the only involvement on people's personal decisions Dems were ever involved in was insisting that people had to respect other people's rights. All the prohibitions on strictly personal actions like abortion, drugs, contraception, sexual mores and such are generally conservative driven and always have been. And don't get me started on who owns the national debt and most of the bad economies over the last 50 years.
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Yea, the dims have always been morally absent. ;)
 
Bobfripp said:
some Catholics (e.g., Ross Douthat of the NYT, the Supreme Court justices, etc.), although Catholics used to be mostly left-leaning. I grew up Catholic, but my Catholic Dad was a right-winger.
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Catholics became right wing when the schools were integrated. Traditionally, the two largest demographic groups of Catholics were Italians and Irish, and neither are exactly known for their racial tolerance. Italians in Brooklyn are straight up racist, every bit as much as Billy Bob Baker from Burke County.
 
I still self-identify as Republican but my views have moderated a lot in the last 10-15 years.

Part of that is having more life experiences and challenging my existing belief system. Part of it is just forming a strong internal belief through my lived experience that most people are good, period, regardless of their political views. The average person on “the other side” is not the enemy as some would have you believe. Part of it is having family members way to the left of me and way to the right of me and still maintaining great relationships with all of the above.

I also like to think part of that is me intentionally seeking out places such as this message board (where 95% of people vote Democrat) to stay in tune with what the left is saying. Trying my best to avoid living in my own personal echo chamber.

All of the above leaves me in a place where I generally dislike the candidates on both sides nowadays, which means sometimes I will vote for Democrats but still usually Republicans.

It’s good for one’s credibility and critical thinking skills to have at least *some* beliefs that differ from your party’s mainstream position. If you agree with either the Democratic party on every issue or the Republican party on every issue, you need to reevaluate whether you’re thinking for yourself or if you’re being fed propaganda.
 
superrific said:
Catholics became right wing when the schools were integrated. Traditionally, the two largest demographic groups of Catholics were Italians and Irish, and neither are exactly known for their racial tolerance. Italians in Brooklyn are straight up racist, every bit as much as Billy Bob Baker from Burke County.
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I won't challenge this-although maybe I should ? What is curious to me going forward in all the Growth areas of the USA-Latino populations , numbers wise , are soon to dominate the Catholic demographics. Now in most such Churches they still have relatively minimal "political " clout because they don't give crap compared to the traditional white Catholics.. It ain't a Democracy
 
Admittedly my experience working with Catholics came later in life (certainly not growing up in Southern Baptistlandia) and almost overwhelmingly with members of that sect that would identify themselves as followers of Liberation Theology so this right-wing Catholics depiction is very far from what I have known.

What the New Population Latinos will do to the politics of Catholic congregations will certainly be interesting to watch and I suspect pretty diverse depending on region of the USA and region of origin for those Latinos. Of course, probably equally important for the sentiments of the New Population Latinos would also be economic class.
 
Callatoroy said:
I would think there has to be more than that. Dims aren't fiscally responsible either so you jump to the side you felt was less fiscally responsible because your side became fiscally irresponsible?
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How can you say they are less fiscally responsible looking at deficits over the last 50 years.
 
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