I'm a former IC ZZL/P Mod = AMA

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"Who is Spain?"
"Why is Hitler?"
"When is right?"
"Where was that stooped and mealy-colored old man I used to call Poppa when the merry-go-round broke down?"
"Ho-ho beriberi."
and
"Balls!"
all rang out in rapid succession, and then there was Yossarian with the question that had no answer:
"Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?"
 
Are you entirely out of there permanently?

Do you now admit that the ZZL could never and did never keep out politics, even though they put on that fake pose?

I thought you were a decent mod.
 
an0maly said:
Are you entirely out of there permanently?

Do you now admit that the ZZL could never and did never keep out politics, even though they put on that fake pose?

I thought you were a decent mod.
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I still have an IC account. I am no longer a mod or have any other IC position.

The ZZL and politics was a difficult subject. There are a lot of topics that are pseudo-political but aren't necessarily political. It was really quite difficult to draw the line on those topics. It became especially tough once a small group of folks settled in who very much wanted to see how much they could get away with without getting attracting moderator attention.

A big mistake we made once we separated the ZZL and ZZLP, plus lost the ability to issue board-specific bans, was to make "Stay off the ZZLP" deals with long-time posters who couldn't handle the ZZLP but we wanted to allow to stay on IC. It was a voluntary agreement that the poster would stay off the ZZLP in exchange for not getting a site ban. The problem was we realized too late that it needed to be a "Stay off the ZZL and ZZLP" deal as all we did was create a disgruntled group of ZZL posters who wanted to discuss politics but couldn't be on the ZZLP and so they used the ZZL as a place to try to discuss politics and/or disrupt the board. No matter how things went down, they "won" because they either got to discuss politics or they got to bitch and moan about the moderation. I suggested that we retroactively make all "Stay off the ZZLP" deals to include the ZZL, but I didn't win that discussion.
 
SnoopRob said:
I still have an IC account. I am no longer a mod or have any other IC position.

The ZZL and politics was a difficult subject. There are a lot of topics that are pseudo-political but aren't necessarily political. It was really quite difficult to draw the line on those topics. It became especially tough once a small group of folks settled in who very much wanted to see how much they could get away with without getting attracting moderator attention.

A big mistake we made once we separated the ZZL and ZZLP, plus lost the ability to issue board-specific bans, was to make "Stay off the ZZLP" deals with long-time posters who couldn't handle the ZZLP but we wanted to allow to stay on IC. It was a voluntary agreement that the poster would stay off the ZZLP in exchange for not getting a site ban. The problem was we realized too late that it needed to be a "Stay off the ZZL and ZZLP" deal as all we did was create a disgruntled group of ZZL posters who wanted to discuss politics but couldn't be on the ZZLP and so they used the ZZL as a place to try to discuss politics and/or disrupt the board. No matter how things went down, they "won" because they either got to discuss politics or they got to bitch and moan about the moderation. I suggested that we retroactively make all "Stay off the ZZLP" deals to include the ZZL, but I didn't win that discussion.
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Disgruntled group of ZZL posters is a lot of characters when OCS would suffice.
 
Snoop, why didn't you let a bunch of conservatives post a bunch of nonsense bullshit unsubstantiated conspiracy theories straight from Breitbart, InfoWars, StormFront, and 4chan?!?!?!?!

Why did you hold them to the unfair standard of having to actually defend their points of view and perspectives like everyone else?

Why didn't you let them post transphobic shit with impunity?!?!?

WE THE PEOPLE OF THE ZZLP DEMAND ANSWERS.
 
uncmba said:
Why did they get rid of the Politics Board?
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The simple answer is that it was too big of a headache to allow to continue and hurting the core business of IC, which is school-specific sports reporting based in paid premium subscriptions.

The paid sports boards, especially the football board, are much more conservative than the ZZL and ZZLP. We routinely had issues where VIP members from the sports boards come over to the ZZLP, posted a bit, got really pissed off at what was said to them, and started crying to the site PTB. It got even worse when they broke IC and ZZLP rules and the moderators got invovled. Inevitably, it turned into a "Do you know how long I've been a member here!?! If I can't post what i want where I want on IC then I'll cancel my membership!"

IC's PTB were happiest when the ZZL and ZZLP essentially did nothing that rose to their attention and it was just a niche portion of the site that didn't create any problems. Over the last 8 years those days became less and less and the amount of ZZLP issues being raised to the level of the PTB were greatly increasing, as were folks either cancelling or threatening to cancel their VIP memberships over ZZLP issues.

It became too much for the PTB to deal with and was no longer worth the headache, so they killed the ZZLP and instituted the "no politics" rule across the site.
 
SnoopRob said:
I moderated the ZZL and ZZLP for almost 8 years. It was a shitshow.

What questions do you have about IC? Or being an IC mod? Or about the ZZL or ZZLP? Or about whatever else?

Ask me anything.
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Is oatmeal for real or full of shit? I have heard both.
 
I still have frustration on Mods in Tar Pit Premium. To me the core SEC Football crowd is constanly being Political with their "Booger eating faculty keep us down" comments. But if in a long discussion someone mentions the word politics-that is a big no no
I digress
 
SnoopRob said:
The simple answer is that it was too big of a headache to allow to continue and hurting the core business of IC, which is school-specific sports reporting based in paid premium subscriptions.

The paid sports boards, especially the football board, are much more conservative than the ZZL and ZZLP. We routinely had issues where VIP members from the sports boards come over to the ZZLP, posted a bit, got really pissed off at what was said to them, and started crying to the site PTB. It got even worse when they broke IC and ZZLP rules and the moderators got invovled. Inevitably, it turned into a "Do you know how long I've been a member here!?! If I can't post what i want where I want on IC then I'll cancel my membership!"

IC's PTB were happiest when the ZZL and ZZLP essentially did nothing that rose to their attention and it was just a niche portion of the site that didn't create any problems. Over the last 8 years those days became less and less and the amount of ZZLP issues being raised to the level of the PTB were greatly increasing, as were folks either cancelling or threatening to cancel their VIP memberships over ZZLP issues.

It became too much for the PTB to deal with and was no longer worth the headache, so they killed the ZZLP and instituted the "no politics" rule across the site.
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Hahahahaha

TL;DR = a bunch of whiny ass snowflake conservatives got their feelings hurt because pointy head meanie butt liberals on an internet message board made their feelings big ouchie!
 
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