I'm a former IC ZZL/P Mod = AMA

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SnoopRob said:
I'll take the last part first...we worked fairly hard to apply the rules evenly in nearly all situations. It certainly had a disparate impact between liberals and conservatives, but that has more to do with how folks self-select into each party than it does with how the rules were applied.

As far as your ban, you were outside the norm as I believe you got one of our "for the good of the board" bans reserved for folks who don't go to extremes but who consistent ride right on top of the line when it comes to trolling or other issues.

The crux of your issue is that you take a contrarian stance and you don't learn a damned thing from others in discussion with them. You'll stake out an opposing view from the majority and someone can spend pages presenting you with some of the best data and research on a topic and you'll just truck along ignoring every damned piece of it to simply restate your disagreement. You don't engage with their posts and the information you are presented in any meaningful way. The refusal to engage with said posts and information was the reason your posting style was deemed trolling.

You are correct that you never got a formal warning, although you had received some in-thread warnings throughout the years. If it makes you feel better, I initially thought that we should have given you a formal warning before putting in the ban for you and argued for a bit that was the better course of action. What eventually convinced me was that another mod pointed out that you pulled this same shit for years and, if you were suddenly able to change based on one warning, it was proof that you'd been knowingly trolling all that time. And if you weren't intentionally trolling by never engaging with others' posts presenting you with facts and research and it was just part of who you are as a real person, then a warning wasn't going to do any good. In short, either you'd trolled for years and had barely escaped formal warnings or you were just a regular poster whose style of posting comes off as a troll. And so we went ahead and banned you.
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So uneven enforcement is okay as long as it's for the good of the board? I guess if that's what you think makes you a good mod, we can see why certain viewpoints were not present on the board.

And I certainly listened to the people with opposing views and could be convinced to change my viewpoint fairly regularly with good arguments. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed being on the board. I think some people got confused on the difference between facts and opinions including you. Just because someone really really really believes something, and everyone who disagrees has been run off so you don't hear too many contradictory opinions, that doesn't make it a fact.
 
CFordUNC said:
Lmao godalmighty have some damn pride for once in your life and quit your whining and crying about friggin' message board moderation. Jesus Christ, man.

Posters like WMHeel, WaynetheDrain, ZooView, and a handful of other liberal regulars were banned- sometimes multiple times- for violation of board rules. I got warned by PM multiple times that my next same offense would warrant a ban- and I deserved it every time.
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I was very well behaved. Never banned and only warned once.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
So uneven enforcement is okay as long as it's for the good of the board? I guess if that's what you think makes you a good mod, we can see why certain viewpoints were not present on the board.

And I certainly listened to the people with opposing views and could be convinced to change my viewpoint fairly regularly with good arguments. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed being on the board. I think some people got confused on the difference between facts and opinions including you. Just because someone really really really believes something, and everyone who disagrees has been run off so you don't hear too many contradictory opinions, that doesn't make it a fact.
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You’re doing a good job of demonstrating the exact behavior that’s been described
 
UNCatTech said:
This is a false statement.

Banning more of one political group does not equate to bias.
They had to earn the ban. They could have toned down the rhetoric.
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Come on. You seem like a pretty reasonable fella. Yes, there were plenty of conservatives that earned that ban, but there were plenty of liberal nut jobs that did some very similar things and didn't seem to earn that ban. It sure seems like the people that Snoop agreed with got an awful lot more chances.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
So uneven enforcement is okay as long as it's for the good of the board? I guess if that's what you think makes you a good mod, we can see why certain viewpoints were not present on the board.

And I certainly listened to the people with opposing views and could be convinced to change my viewpoint fairly regularly with good arguments. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed being on the board. I think some people got confused on the difference between facts and opinions including you. Just because someone really really really believes something, and everyone who disagrees has been run off so you don't hear too many contradictory opinions, that doesn't make it a fact.
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You had everyone on the freaking golf thread wanting you banned due to how you interacted with people on the ZZL. You weren't some innocent victim.
 
I was banned twice IIRC. Both were before the ZZLP. The 1st was for drunk posting and was probably deserved. The 2nd was horseshit and fought it all the way to the top and had a nice discussion with their old legal person who agreed with me so I was reinstated. I laid into Applebees McDisabilityfaud and he threw a shitfit threatening to sue for what I said. Once I got their lawyer by email he and I both had a good laugh and he relayed the BS to the top brass who reistated me.

Ugh...he is such a whiny little shit
 
Enigma94 said:
You had everyone on the freaking golf thread wanting you banned due to how you interacted with people on the ZZL. You weren't some innocent victim.
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There were several folks on the golf thread that were doing exactly what I was doing or worse but as long as they agreed with most posters, it was fine.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
So uneven enforcement is okay as long as it's for the good of the board? I guess if that's what you think makes you a good mod, we can see why certain viewpoints were not present on the board.

And I certainly listened to the people with opposing views and could be convinced to change my viewpoint fairly regularly with good arguments. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed being on the board. I think some people got confused on the difference between facts and opinions including you. Just because someone really really really believes something, and everyone who disagrees has been run off so you don't hear too many contradictory opinions, that doesn't make it a fact.
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You're conflating two issues here and, by doing so, misrepresenting what occurred. (Speaking of the very actions which got you a ban.)

We abridged our process in your case because the only two reasonable conclusions were that you had been trolling for years despite in-thread warnings or you were incapable of changing behavior which had been determined to be trolling. Either way, the ban was inevitable.

You weren't banned for your views, you were banned because you lack the ability to engage with posts, take things of value from those posts, and then reflect any learning in your posts. You simply repeat the same things over and over again, no matter the response, which is a form of trolling (whether intentional or unintentional).

Let me be clear...you weren't banned for your views. You were banned because you showed with overwhelming evidence that you couldn't engage with others and their posts in a reasonable way.
 
Ok, I gotta run for the evening. But if there are more questions, I'll pick them up the next time I'm on.
 
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