Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR

  • Thread starter Thread starter nycfan
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 7K
  • Views: 237K
  • Politics 
superrific said:
Oh, I'm sure the operation happened. But how many people would know if the person was actually rescued?

I don't know, it was an idle observation that we should never, ever, ever take anything this administration says at face value. At the very least, we know they would do it if they could
Click to expand...
True, and also there are different rules for military operations where secrecy and deception are not just the norm, but fundamental stratagems.

At the end of the day Trump is a bullshitter. Every single word out of his mouth, true, false, or hybrid is self serving bullshit and just what he feels like saying at the moment. We all listen to anything the man says at our own peril.
 
nycfan said:


Shot down on Good Friday. Flown out of Iran as the sun was rising on Easter Sunday. A pilot reborn, all home and accounted for, a nation rejoicing. God is good
Click to expand...

God is good, isn't he? I think this also confirms he 'works in mysterious ways.'

1775511784792.png
 
Last edited:
Bobfripp said:
" Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship"

Would this be a new fee, not previously imposed?
Click to expand...
New. I just don’t see that flying with this administration. Wonder if anyone has done an economic analysis on what the impact of this fine would be if traffic returned to normal.
 
Bobfripp said:
" Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship"

Would this be a new fee, not previously imposed?
Click to expand...
$2 mill I on is obviously posturing, and likely a negotiation tactic. If this administration was competent, they could likely get that number down significantly, allowing both sides to declare a win. That ain't happening under Trump, though.
 
sringwal said:
$2 mill I on is obviously posturing, and likely a negotiation tactic. If this administration was competent, they could likely get that number down significantly, allowing both sides to declare a win. That ain't happening under Trump, though.
Click to expand...
I don't see a world where we could accept any number. It acknowledges that Iran has ownership of that waterway and can close it down to anyone. I think they are going to need to prove that over time during sustained military strikes before we would accept that.
 
HandsonFire said:
New. I just don’t see that flying with this administration. Wonder if anyone has done an economic analysis on what the impact of this fine would be if traffic returned to normal.
Click to expand...
$2 million per ship seems a bit steep, but then so does $4/gal.
 
sringwal said:
$2 mill I on is obviously posturing, and likely a negotiation tactic. If this administration was competent, they could likely get that number down significantly, allowing both sides to declare a win. That ain't happening under Trump, though.
Click to expand...
I don’t think any of this is a negotiation tactic.

I think Iran feels that they have the upper hand (not militarily of course but geopolitically) and their goal is to embarrass Trump and the US as a future warning.

I don’t think the money is at all the goal with the Hormuz fee. Sure they probably want it yo rebuild but more importantly it is a display that the US can’t control Iran without takings on excessive losses.

Iran knows that the US will not send ground forces and that while their country can be severely bombed, their government will remain.

Just my reads. I could be wrong on all of it.
 
By the way, I don’t see a way out of this war.

Iran is emboldened. They are willing to take a punishment if the end result is seen as a defeat for the US.

It would be highly embarrassing and damaging to the US if they withdrawal without Iran at least returning to the status quo which Iran won’t do.

Trump isn’t going to back down unless he can spin it as a win. That is getting harder and harder to do. The other option is to escalate.

Iran doesn’t have the military of the US but due to Trump’s incompetence they have a much better plan.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top