Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR

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Callatoroy said:
So you are good with iran controlling the strait?
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They had the ability to do that for a long time, but never did until this war without any planning occurred. It's not up to anyone else to figure that out, other than the dumbass who singularly and unilaterally put us into this clusterfuck of a situation.

Actually, Trump should be 25th'd. The gutless spineless MAGA Party politicians that enabled this madman should figure it out.
 
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lawtig02 said:
What's the difference between "our hand was forced" and, to quote fuheel, to which you objected, "It seems like our main justification in attacking Iran is that Trump got bullied into doing so by Israel"?
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We don't know how that went down other than israel being determined to act at that point in time. The issue isn't whether or not we should have acted because either way something bad was going to happen. Only uneducated idiots are arguing whether or not we should have attacked. The real issues for legitimate criticism are in the strategic planning of targets and roles played by israel and the US, and the disaster of messaging. I think trump also wrongly assumed nato would respond to help with the strait closing.
 
Callatoroy said:
We don't know how that went down other than israel being determined to act at that point in time. The issue isn't whether or not we should have acted because either way something bad was going to happen. Only uneducated idiots are arguing whether or not we should have attacked. The real issues for legitimate criticism are in the strategic planning of targets and roles played by israel and the US, and the disaster of messaging. I think trump also wrongly assumed nato would respond to help with the strait closing.
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Yeah, that's ridiculous. The vast majority of Americans, and virtually the entire rest of the world except for Israel, strongly believe, for very good reason, we should not have attacked.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
They had the ability to do that for a long time, but never did until this war without any planning occurred. It's not up to anyone else to figure that out, other than the dumbass who singularly and unilaterally put us into this clusterfuck of a situation.

Actually, Trump should be 25th'd. The gutless spineless MAGA Party politicians that enabled this madman should figure it out.
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pointing the finger is great. but doesn't answer the question if you are ok with walking away with iran controlling the strait. You said we should just quit bombing and leave so I guess you are good with iran controlling it.
 
Callatoroy said:
We were never going to be an observer. The strait closing was imminent.

so no need for 60% enriched uranium right?
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Can't build a bomb with it, at least without further enrichment, I know that much.

Do you know more than the National Intelligence community? You don't trust US Intelligence, but you trust Donald 'I lie like I breath' Trump?
 
lawtig02 said:
Yeah, that's ridiculous. The vast majority of Americans, and virtually the entire rest of the world except for Israel, strongly believe, for very good reason, we should not have attacked.
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This is where he will point out that China and Russia also wanted us to attack.
 
Callatoroy said:
Only uneducated idiots are arguing whether or not we should have attacked.
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The people who you are calling uneducated idiots have far more education than you and are objectively and demonstrably less idiotic.

But perhaps you mean that only uneducated idiots are arguing we should have attacked, which would be generally correct.
 
Callatoroy said:
So what is the consensus here. Hoping he goes through with it so you guys can bitch about that, or hoping he delays so you can play the taco game? Either way its a win for you guys right. Is there a right option for trump today?
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Resign. That would be the one “right option” Trump could make that would be applauded by most. Since he won’t do that, the next closest thing would be for him to taco. He won’t and shouldn’t get credit for backing out of something he shouldn’t have threatened in the first place, but it’s the closest thing he could do to a “right option” that he would actually do.
 
Also, the “Israel was going to attack anyway so we had to join in,” is risible.
The only people who believe that shit are people who believe anything and everything that comes out of Trump’s stupid, lying pie hole.
 
lawtig02 said:
Yeah, that's ridiculous. The vast majority of Americans, and virtually the entire rest of the world except for Israel, strongly believe, for very good reason, we should not have attacked.
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The vast majority of Americans are uninformed on ME politics and much of the ME supported the decision privately. Canada and australia also said the US was justified.
 
Callatoroy said:
pointing the finger is great. but doesn't answer the question if you are ok with walking away with iran controlling the strait. You said we should just quit bombing and leave so I guess you are good with iran controlling it.
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I will repeat myself and answer your new way of asking the same question. NO, I am not fine with Iran controlling the Strait. And that would not be the case had Trump not attacked with the worst "war plan" ever. Cutting through all the BS, here was the plan and objective......

We would go in and bomb the hell out of them. THEN the Iranian people would rise up, with rocks I presume, and overthrow the radical clerics' military. THAT was the plan. Trump even stated it and requested it of the Iranian people. Of course that was impossible. That's when everything went off the rails.

Yes, retreat and disengage with Iran. Get Trump out of office. Let sane competent people deal with the Strait.
 
Callatoroy said:
pointing the finger is great. but doesn't answer the question if you are ok with walking away with iran controlling the strait. You said we should just quit bombing and leave so I guess you are good with iran controlling it.
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They are going to control it no matter what. We guaranteed that. If we could, we would have already changed that.
 
Callatoroy said:
We don't know how that went down other than israel being determined to act at that point in time. The issue isn't whether or not we should have acted because either way something bad was going to happen. Only uneducated idiots are arguing whether or not we should have attacked. The real issues for legitimate criticism are in the strategic planning of targets and roles played by israel and the US, and the disaster of messaging. I think trump also wrongly assumed nato would respond to help with the strait closing.
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Trump is Bibi’s bitch, that’s how it went down.
 
Bobfripp said:
Can't build a bomb with it, at least without further enrichment, I know that much.

Do you know more than the National Intelligence community? You don't trust US Intelligence, but you trust Donald 'I lie like I breath' Trump?
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Do you know more than isralian intelligence? Do you have reason to suspect iran was lying when they admitted to having 60% enriched uranium?

  • Weaponization Timeline: Starting from 60% enrichment, the time needed to achieve 90% "weapons-grade" material is drastically reduced to roughly 1–3 weeks for necessary weapon components, according to Arms Control Center.
  • Stockpile Concern: According to PBS NewsHour, Iran’s stockpile of 60% enriched uranium could theoretically be used to build roughly 10 nuclear bombs, should they choose to do so.
  • Critical Mass: While 90% is typical for weapons, 60% enriched material is still capable of reaching critical mass for a fission device.
 
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