Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR

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mpaer said:
Splain what”taking down” means. What it looks like. It may sound good- they will still be a radical Theocracy.
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Among other things, I'd say re-bombing the nuclear facilities, that they had begun rebuilding, is apart of it.

Iran Is at Work on Missile and Nuclear Sites, Satellite Images Show​

Repairs at key missile sites began soon after they were hit by Israeli and U.S. strikes last year, but work at Iran’s nuclear facilities has been slower

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Iran Is at Work on Missile and Nuclear Sites, Satellite Images Show

Repairs at key missile sites began soon after they were hit by Israeli and U.S. strikes last year, but work at Iran’s nuclear facilities has been slower.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
ZenMode said:
Among other things, I'd say re-bombing the nuclear facilities, that they had begun rebuilding, is apart of it.

Iran Is at Work on Missile and Nuclear Sites, Satellite Images Show​

Repairs at key missile sites began soon after they were hit by Israeli and U.S. strikes last year, but work at Iran’s nuclear facilities has been slower

www.nytimes.com

Iran Is at Work on Missile and Nuclear Sites, Satellite Images Show

Repairs at key missile sites began soon after they were hit by Israeli and U.S. strikes last year, but work at Iran’s nuclear facilities has been slower.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Why not do it for North Korea, too? They routinely threaten (and have much closer proximit to) one our allies in South Korea as Iran does Israel. Plus they frequently “threaten” to rain hellfire down on the United States. So why not bomb their nuclear facilities too while we’re at it?
 


Man, if they’ve lost the Matt friggin Walshes of the movement, MAGA is absolutely royally fucked beyond measure. See you in November!
 
Ramrouser said:
Taking down Iran (finally) is in the US's national interest as well as the interest of the Gulf States. This action is not solely for the benefit of Israel.
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Since I have no idea why going to war and " taking down " Iran is in our national interest, I would appreciate it if you could inform me.

I have no idea what we should expect in the aftermath because as Lady G said we have no plan nor should we have a plan for rebuilding Iran once we have a victory.

Can you inform me as to whether Trump has a plan to rebuild an Iran that will be in our national interest ?
 
heelinhell said:
Since I have no idea why going to war and " taking down " Iran is in our national interest, I would appreciate it if you could inform me.

I have no idea what we should expect in the aftermath because as Lady G said we have no plan nor should we have a plan for rebuilding Iran once we have a victory.

Can you inform me as to whether Trump has a plan to rebuild an Iran that will be in our national interest ?
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He has a concept of a plan. Look for it in about two weeks. ( Trumpspeak for manana)
 
CFordUNC said:


Man, if they’ve lost the Matt friggin Walshes of the movement, MAGA is absolutely royally fucked beyond measure. See you in November!
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Matt has a couple brain cells to rub together and is actually capable of applying logic to current events, twisted though it may be. I fully believe most MAGA voters, if they’re aware of this war at all, probably think it’s cool that we’re back to blowing shit up. That’s the extent of their foreign policy chops.
 
The western world benefits from the collapse of this regime, as do the Iranian people. The Islamic Republic's support of extra governmental militia groups has imperiled North Africa and the Middle East for decades. The republic has threatened numerous gulf states and Israel. The republic has threatened the global oil supply over and over again since its rise in 1978. One can be concerned with failure and further destabilization while also recognizing the world is better off without the Islamic Republic. It's not that hard to walk this line.
 
We should not dismiss the degree to which the death cult aspect of evangelical Christianity is pushing this idiocy forward. We are all being robbed and marched to destruction by grifters, sociopaths, and people who genuinely believe a fair skinned blue eyed Middle Eastern man is going to materialize in the sky to usher them into an ethereal plane.
 
p5mmr9 said:
The western world benefits from the collapse of this regime, as do the Iranian people. The Islamic Republic's support of extra governmental militia groups has imperiled North Africa and the Middle East for decades. The republic has threatened numerous gulf states and Israel. The republic has threatened the global oil supply over and over again since its rise in 1978. One can be concerned with failure and further destabilization while also recognizing the world is better off without the Islamic Republic. It's not that hard to walk this line.
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Well that is logical. But do you think the new regime will be any different? It’s not like we are delivering democracy too them
 
CFordUNC said:
Why not do it for North Korea, too? They routinely threaten (and have much closer proximit to) one our allies in South Korea as Iran does Israel. Plus they frequently “threaten” to rain hellfire down on the United States. So why not bomb their nuclear facilities too while we’re at it?
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One reason is that they already have nukes and could use them in response.

The other reason is that Kim Jong Un isn't apart of a religion that believes that martyrdom and killing the infidels will ensure him eternal bliss. Kim Jong Un has a harem, something like 100 cars and loves NBA basketball. No reason to believe he's interested in starting nuclear war.
 
ZenMode said:
One reason is that they already have nukes and could use them in response.

The other reason is that Kim Jong Un isn't apart of a religion that believes that martyrdom and killing the infidels will ensure him eternal bliss. Kim Jong Un has a harem, something like 100 cars and loves NBA basketball. No reason to believe he's interested in starting nuclear war.
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So the lesson to any rogue nation states is to hurry up and develop nukes (or buy/steal some) or else you’ll end up like Iran/Libya/Syria.
 
p5mmr9 said:
The western world benefits from the collapse of this regime, as do the Iranian people. The Islamic Republic's support of extra governmental militia groups has imperiled North Africa and the Middle East for decades. The republic has threatened numerous gulf states and Israel. The republic has threatened the global oil supply over and over again since its rise in 1978. One can be concerned with failure and further destabilization while also recognizing the world is better off without the Islamic Republic. It's not that hard to walk this line.
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I can ,and mostly do, agree with that and still think we have no business starting this war or catering to that ass ,Bibi. The West created the problem when they took control of Iran and deposed the old government in the 1930s. I don't know why but I seriously doubt it was something we did for them. Then between then, the overthrow of a people's government in 53 and the systemic persecution of all dissenters under the Shah, it absolutely empowered the most extreme and hardcore who followed him. The West is reaping what they sowed.
 
mpaer said:
Well that is logical. But do you think the new regime will be any different? It’s not like we are delivering democracy too them
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I have no idea, but I do know the Islamic Republic was a major source of instability and a threat via proxies to most of the other countries in the Middle East, to many countries in western Europe, and at least to our own assets in the area. This regime does have American blood on its hands.

I think this war is ridiculous. But I also appreciate the window of opportunity it gives the Iranian people.
 
nrsair said:
So the lesson to any rogue nation states is to hurry up and develop nukes (or buy/steal some) or else you’ll end up like Iran/Libya/Syria.
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The lesson to any nation should be we aren't going to allow Muslim terrorists countries to have nukes because, among other things, Muslim terrorists don't mind dying for their religious beliefs, to ensure an eternity in heaven,
 
finesse said:
I can ,and mostly do, agree with that and still think we have no business starting this war or catering to that ass ,Bibi. The West created the problem when they took control of Iran and deposed the old government in the 1930s. I don't know why but I seriously doubt it was something we did for them. Then between then, the overthrow of a people's government in 53 and the systemic persecution of all dissenters under the Shah, it absolutely empowered the most extreme and hardcore who followed him. The West is reaping what they sowed.
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I don't think Trump authorized this action to "cater" to Netanyahu. Trump has had a fixation with Iran since Obama arranged for the JCPOA. This is as much about a line of grievance from Obama to JCPOA to personal threats against Trump. He was bellicose during his first term and this attack is just a manifestation of that bellicosity.

Yes - Netanyahu and MbS wanted this "invasion" - but I doubt there is much string pulling here.
 
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